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Ghoulish Delight · 08-22-2008, 01:58 PM

Should we emulate trying to improve our infrastructure? Absolutely. Do you seriously think he means we should do so by exploiting workers and displacing entire cities? That's not even an option in America, it would seem pretty self evident that it's not an option and I wouldn't expect any candidate to have to explicitly say, "We need to improve our infrastructure, but let's try to do it without being evil."

All he says in that quote is China improved their infrastructure and made themselves attractive to business in a world market. We need to react to that.

scaeagles · 08-22-2008, 02:20 PM

I don't think he needs to say "without being evil".

However, I think that he has bought into the propaganda. Perhaps it might have been prudent to acknowledge that it isn't the entire picture and we need to be aware of that as well.

Tenigma · 08-22-2008, 02:32 PM

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However, I think that he has bought into the propaganda.

I am *shocked* that you feel this way. I mean, you, coming to your own conclusions about what he might be meaning? Shocked!

Reading the quote, I'm with GD on this one. "We need to stay competitive because we have countries like China that are working hard to try to make themselves as attractive as possible to businesses. Look at what they've done with the Beijing Olympics. We need to stay on our toes" is how I read it. He's basically stating the obvious... China set out to showcase itself with propaganda emanating from the Olympics. He's just pointing it out.

scaeagles · 08-22-2008, 02:54 PM

I'm not surprised that supporters of Obama come to differing conclusions (shocked!) than those who oppose him.

Strangler Lewis · 08-22-2008, 03:04 PM

I haven't read the remarks in their entirety, and I guess he was talking about infrastructure, but I'm surprised that someone urging this country to take steps to remain competitive with China isn't the nominee of the Republican party.

Morrigoon · 08-22-2008, 03:23 PM

The brilliance of Obama's Veep-announcement-by-text has just struck me. Forget all the other plebeians subscribing to the announcement, the real benefit comes from the threat of the average Joe "scooping" the media, therefore forcing the media to also subscribe to his updates, giving him several days of feeding his appearance dates directly to the necessary parties to ensure coverage (not that he needed *that* much help, but it's still smart as all heck).

Tenigma · 08-22-2008, 05:29 PM

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The brilliance of Obama's Veep-announcement-by-text has just struck me. Forget all the other plebeians subscribing to the announcement, the real benefit comes from the threat of the average Joe "scooping" the media, therefore forcing the media to also subscribe to his updates, giving him several days of feeding his appearance dates directly to the necessary parties to ensure coverage (not that he needed *that* much help, but it's still smart as all heck).

Mmm that, and also that this gave him a huge jump in subscribers. The thing is, these are people's cell phones, and most people don't give up their cell phone numbers easily. Now his campaign has millions (presumably; if not hundreds of thousands) of interested potential voters. By geographical location based on area code. He can send out directed text messages rolling up to and on election day to remind people to vote, and to get the word out to tell their friends to vote.

The way the campaign has embraced technology has been terrific. The other day, I got a text message (after I'd subscribed for his VP announcement) letting me know that the Obama Web site is now fully mobile compatible, and the text included a link. I was able to just select it and have my phone go to his mobile site, where for no charge, I was able to download a wallpaper for my phone. Now it has a little Obama logo as its wallpaper.

How cool is that?

scaeagles · 08-22-2008, 03:43 PM

Yeah....I'd guess the media already suscribes to his updates.

And it looks like it might be out already....apparently there's a KC printing company printing Obama/Bayh literature (according to the Drudge report). Of course, that might be a red herring.

sleepyjeff · 08-22-2008, 04:08 PM

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Yeah....I'd guess the media already suscribes to his updates.

And it looks like it might be out already....apparently there's a KC printing company printing Obama/Bayh literature (according to the Drudge report). Of course, that might be a red herring.

That explains Bayhs surge at Intrade.com...he was at 12 bucks this morning and now is trading at over 30 dollars.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-22-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Yeah....I'd guess the media already suscribes to his updates.

And it looks like it might be out already....apparently there's a KC printing company printing Obama/Bayh literature (according to the Drudge report). Of course, that might be a red herring.

No text yet.

08-22-2008, 01:58 PM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Should we emulate trying to improve our infrastructure? Absolutely. Do you seriously think he means we should do so by exploiting workers and displacing entire cities? That's not even an option in America, it would seem pretty self evident that it's not an option and I wouldn't expect any candidate to have to explicitly say, "We need to improve our infrastructure, but let's try to do it without being evil." All he says in that quote is China improved their infrastructure and made themselves attractive to business in a world market. We need to react to that. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I don't think he needs to say "without being evil". However, I think that he has bought into the propaganda. Perhaps it might have been prudent to acknowledge that it isn't the entire picture and we need to be aware of that as well.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'm not surprised that supporters of Obama come to differing conclusions (shocked!) than those who oppose him.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	The brilliance of Obama's Veep-announcement-by-text has just struck me. Forget all the other plebeians subscribing to the announcement, the real benefit comes from the threat of the average Joe "scooping" the media, therefore forcing the media to also subscribe to his updates, giving him several days of feeding his appearance dates directly to the necessary parties to ensure coverage (not that he needed that much help, but it's still smart as all heck). __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Yeah....I'd guess the media already suscribes to his updates. And it looks like it might be out already....apparently there's a KC printing company printing Obama/Bayh literature (according to the Drudge report). Of course, that might be a red herring.
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