Offshore Drilling Ban to be Lifted by Bush - Page 9

wendybeth · 07-23-2008, 12:35 AM

Well, by gosh- according to David's photos, the animals are flocking to the oil fields! It's so heartening to see a bear hugging an oil-filled pipeline- it really is. Looks so.......natural.

Sorry, David- but those photos kind of made me want to hurl. A bunch of animals hanging around a pipeline doesn't mean shyt, except maybe to a hunter.

lizziebith · 07-23-2008, 12:48 AM

I'm about to go to bed, and am tired, and as such probably shouldn't post in a political thread. Usually, for me that ends up with me apologizing a year later for being rude. Ah, but anyway, for the colorful pics of animals and pipelines above I do honestly smell photoshop or photo-op. Either way, it looks, frankly, ridiculous, and I'm just a regular consumer of internet images. Happy animals loving the pipeline! Wooooooo! I'll have what you're having.

Stan4dSteph · 07-23-2008, 01:13 AM

So we should only save land if there are big, cute furry animals providing wonderful photo-ops? Perhaps the animals are in those shots because someone built a big effing plant where they usually hang out and they can't read the signs that say, "Warning toxic chemicals present."

scaeagles · 07-22-2008, 09:44 PM

Eh, I didn't really want to work at it.

scaeagles · 07-23-2008, 05:58 AM

I suppose there were a heard of dead animals next to a pipeline it would mean everything, eh, WB?

The Alaska Dept of Fish and Game states that there has been absolutely no adverse affect on caribou populations. Most reports I find say that populations have as much as tripled in the area of the pipeline.

Photoshopped? I think not.

Kevy Baby · 07-23-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Well, by gosh- according to David's photos, the animals are flocking to the oil fields! It's so heartening to see a bear hugging an oil-filled pipeline- it really is. Looks so.......natural.

Sorry, David- but those photos kind of made me want to hurl. A bunch of animals hanging around a pipeline doesn't mean shyt, except maybe to a hunter.

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Originally Posted by lizziebith

Ah, but anyway, for the colorful pics of animals and pipelines above I do honestly smell photoshop or photo-op. Either way, it looks, frankly, ridiculous, and I'm just a regular consumer of internet images. Happy animals loving the pipeline! Wooooooo! I'll have what you're having.

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Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

So we should only save land if there are big, cute furry animals providing wonderful photo-ops? Perhaps the animals are in those shots because someone built a big effing plant where they usually hang out and they can't read the signs that say, "Warning toxic chemicals present."

While scaeagles pretty much stated it, I think the point of the photos is being missed: the supposed horrible effects on the environment are grossly overstated.

scaeagles · 07-23-2008, 09:24 AM

Threatened is a long, long way from extinct. Threatened has nothing to do with existing populations, it simply means that there is cause for concern about their well being. Your link does not address existing populations.....which granted, could have declined since the article I cited was published.

BarTopDancer · 07-23-2008, 09:50 AM

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Threatened is a long, long way from extinct. Threatened has nothing to do with existing populations, it simply means that there is cause for concern about their well being. Your link does not address existing populations.....which granted, could have declined since the article I cited was published.

Threatened is also a long way from not in danger. I suggest you read some of the links on the page I posted. The petition to list them as a threatened species started in 2007 as well.

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The polar bear was petitioned to be listed as a threatened species, defined as a species likely to become endangered in the foreseeable future.

This is not a good thing

They're drowning.

Morrigoon · 07-23-2008, 10:09 AM

Alex: great points, as usual!

re: Polar Bears

Bears thrive when seals have a hard time, or vice versa. How's the seal population?

David E · 07-28-2008, 03:09 PM

The bears can drown if too much ice melts in their area. This happens seasonally, regardless of whether a larger warming trend is occurring; the ice re-forms every year, otherwise the bears wouldn't be there.

With regard to the animal photos, they are not doctored as far as I know. Caribou in more desolate areas also like the warmth of the heated pipelines. I think photos help to demystify a lot of what is being discussed, which can get very abstract and emotional sometimes. I would like to see photos of some of the negative effects such as leaks as well, to put that into perspective too. We have all acknowledged that sometimes things will go wrong.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I suppose there were a heard of dead animals next to a pipeline it would mean everything, eh, WB? The Alaska Dept of Fish and Game states that there has been absolutely no adverse affect on caribou populations. Most reports I find say that populations have as much as tripled in the area of the pipeline. Photoshopped? I think not.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Threatened is a long, long way from extinct. Threatened has nothing to do with existing populations, it simply means that there is cause for concern about their well being. Your link does not address existing populations.....which granted, could have declined since the article I cited was published.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Alex: great points, as usual! re: Polar Bears Bears thrive when seals have a hard time, or vice versa. How's the seal population? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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David E Tethered Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 64	The bears can drown if too much ice melts in their area. This happens seasonally, regardless of whether a larger warming trend is occurring; the ice re-forms every year, otherwise the bears wouldn't be there. With regard to the animal photos, they are not doctored as far as I know. Caribou in more desolate areas also like the warmth of the heated pipelines. I think photos help to demystify a lot of what is being discussed, which can get very abstract and emotional sometimes. I would like to see photos of some of the negative effects such as leaks as well, to put that into perspective too. We have all acknowledged that sometimes things will go wrong. __________________ David E. The Best is the enemy of the Better.
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