All About McCain - Page 62

Moonliner · 09-10-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Yes I can. She's on record supporting the project before it became nationally infamous as the biggest pork-barrel project in history.

Then, and only then, did she turn against it.

In the end she did the right thing and killed it. So for me that makes it a weak argument to use against her. Especially when there are so many other good ones to use.

One of the problems I have discussing politics with people here or IRL is the black and white viewpoints people often have. If they don't like a candidate (ie Palin) then EVERYTHING about them has to be bad. Hell George Bush is in solid contention for worst president in the history of the United States but even he has his good moments. No one (except perhaps Rove) is all evil.

So I feel quite comfortable patting Palin on the back for killing a $200,000,000 bridge project or selling a unnneeded jet while at the same time blasting her for her views on abortion, sex education and scores of other topics.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-10-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

So I feel quite comfortable patting Palin on the back for killing a $200,000,000 bridge project or selling a unnneeded jet while at the same time blasting her for her views on abortion, sex education and scores of other topics.

She didn't kill sh*t. The money still went to Alaska, the money never went back, and she continued to fund the other infrastructure projects that are designed to link in to the bridge. She was for it, she paid lip service to being against it when she realized it would be politically expedient to do so, and never did squat to prevent that money from being funneled from Washington.

And spending/waste/porkbarrel is most certainly a platform issue.

Snowflake · 09-10-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

Hell George Bush is in solid contention for worst president in the history of the United States but even he has his good moments. No one (except perhaps Rove) is all evil.

I dunno, I think Cheney is 100% evil, too.

Tenigma · 09-10-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

In the end she did the right thing and killed it. So for me that makes it a weak argument to use against her. Especially when there are so many other good ones to use.

You're only seeing half the picture, Moonliner. She didn't say "Thanks but no thanks" until AFTER the Feds said no (and it because obvious this was a bad stance to take), but SHE KEPT THE MONEY. She just used the money earmarked for the bridge porkbarrel project for OTHER stuff in Alaska.

If she was REALLY sincere she would've not taken the money.

PS: I think part of what I find so annoying is that they've decided just to blatantly lie, and keep lying. They think Americans are stupid enough to eventually believe the lies.

mousepod · 09-10-2008, 12:55 PM

I think the reason the Palin "bridge to nowhere" comment is discussed so much is because her "Thanks, but no thanks" line has become a staple of her speech - and the McCain/Palin ads. The context in which the Republicans are framing her comment is not rooted in the truth.

However, I agree that it's silly for the Dems to be focusing on this. It's clearly bait that's been laid out by Rove, er Palin, er McCain... (no... I probably mean Rove) to steer the argument away from the issues that are actually part of the two parties platforms.

bleh.

Moonliner · 09-10-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mousepod

I think the reason the Palin "bridge to nowhere" comment is discussed so much is because her "Thanks, but no thanks" line has become a staple of her speech - and the McCain/Palin ads. The context in which the Republicans are framing her comment is not rooted in the truth.

However, I agree that it's silly for the Dems to be focusing on this. It's clearly bait that's been laid out by Rove, er Palin, er McCain... (no... I probably mean Rove) to steer the argument away from the issues that are actually part of the two parties platforms.

bleh.

Hummmm...

Yup. That sounds like Rove. "Ok guys, the Dems are going to attack whatever we say. So let's harp on something that actually has a positive element about it. That way their argument sounds weaker."

Morrigoon · 09-10-2008, 02:14 PM

Isn't that a governor's job, to protect the best interests of their state? By, for example, grabbing as much federal funding as they can for their state?

Ghoulish Delight · 09-10-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Isn't that a governor's job, to protect the best interests of their state? By, for example, grabbing as much federal funding as they can for their state?

That could be one definition. However, to do so and then claim you fought against it is generally called "lying".

scaeagles · 09-10-2008, 02:18 PM

I say keep the half truths and rumors coming. I have no doubt that I could find or even make up hundreds of unsubstantiated things I heard that Obama has said. Or even true things. Talking about "white mans' greed" in the audacity of hope.

Honestly, to even post that is laughable.

I read on a blog that someone heard Obama say that he goes out at night and kills puppies and eats their livers in a Satanic ritual. Wow.....that's just aweful.

scaeagles · 09-10-2008, 02:31 PM

I think she said "Thanks but no thanks for that bridge to nowhere". She didn't say "I sent the money back because there was nothing valuable we could do with it". I think there is a distinction. She was against the wasteful spending aspect, bit using the federal funds to do necessary things to improve her state.

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mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I think the reason the Palin "bridge to nowhere" comment is discussed so much is because her "Thanks, but no thanks" line has become a staple of her speech - and the McCain/Palin ads. The context in which the Republicans are framing her comment is not rooted in the truth. However, I agree that it's silly for the Dems to be focusing on this. It's clearly bait that's been laid out by Rove, er Palin, er McCain... (no... I probably mean Rove) to steer the argument away from the issues that are actually part of the two parties platforms. bleh. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Isn't that a governor's job, to protect the best interests of their state? By, for example, grabbing as much federal funding as they can for their state? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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09-10-2008, 02:18 PM	#9
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I say keep the half truths and rumors coming. I have no doubt that I could find or even make up hundreds of unsubstantiated things I heard that Obama has said. Or even true things. Talking about "white mans' greed" in the audacity of hope. Honestly, to even post that is laughable. I read on a blog that someone heard Obama say that he goes out at night and kills puppies and eats their livers in a Satanic ritual. Wow.....that's just aweful.
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09-10-2008, 02:31 PM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I think she said "Thanks but no thanks for that bridge to nowhere". She didn't say "I sent the money back because there was nothing valuable we could do with it". I think there is a distinction. She was against the wasteful spending aspect, bit using the federal funds to do necessary things to improve her state.
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