Democratic National Convention '08

[scaeagles]

And regarding the whole college thing being discussed, while somewhat off the DNC subject, a recent article discusses the true value of college vs the cost.

Dr. Nemko says that worst of all is that few of these former college students, having spent thousands of dollars, wind up in a job that required a college education. It's not uncommon to find them driving a taxi, working at a restaurant or department store, performing some other job that they could have had as a high school graduate or dropout.

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And regarding the whole college thing being discussed, while somewhat off the DNC subject, a recent article discusses the true value of college vs the cost.

Dr. Nemko is a nimrod.

Signed,
Dr. 3894

[Betty]

I love how you guys fight and make up.

[Alex]

Poverty is a moral failing? If you aren't successful it is just because you didn't try hard enough?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Alex

Poverty is a moral failing? If you aren't successful it is just because you didn't try hard enough?

What is poverty? Are individuals trapped in it for life with no possibility of escape?

[Alex]

Pick a definition of poverty, the question remains the same:

Is a person's existence in that category a sign of their moral failing to try hard enough?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Alex

Pick a definition of poverty, the question remains the same:

Is a person's existence in that category a sign of their moral failing to try hard enough?

In the field of human endeavors there are few if any absolutes. Is it a moral failing in all cases for all people? Of course not.

When you look at someone like Obama who as gone from food stamps to Major party presidential nominee what do you see? A lottery winner? Hapenstance? What is keeping scores of others from following in his path and raising themselves out of trying circumstances?

As Obama said last night. Government needs to do for the people that which they cannot do for themselves. It does not need to do that which people don't want to do for themselves.

[Betty]

For some yes - for some no.

For those that are NOT in poverty, it isn't always a sign that they DID try enough.

[innerSpaceman]

Um, emphatically, NO


Born with a silver spoon in your mouth, anyone?



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I just got a chance to watch the Obama Speech this morning, and I find his delivery lackluster and his promises trite. I hate the way the laundry lists of presidential hopefuls go anyway, as if they are running for King who can then run the country by fiat.


In any case, blah, blah, blah, heard it all before. Carter, Clinton, all the Dems and their laundry lists of goodness that NEVER FUKING HAPPENS.

[Alex]

When I look at Obama I see someone who is 70% a lottery winner and 30% self made.

When I look at myself (my starting position is probably worse than his), I see the same.

Regardless of how hard you try, huge amounts of luck are involved in success.

Now, I agree that not all of Obama's proposals are things I'd support. But you said that what we have now is sufficient for anybody to succeed.

Originally Posted by You

It some cases it takes hard work and sacrifice, but it is possible for anyone with the programs we have now.

So, does this mean that anybody who fails to achieve success has simply not tried hard enough or sacrificed enough? You, apparently, would say yes. Obama, apparently, would say no and that there is more government should be doing. He was also quite clear (whether he is right or wrong) in saying that the programs that exist now are not the same as they once were and have been undermined by recent political history.