All About McCain

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

She can appeal to those Hillary voters that (much to the chagrin of 3894) want to see a female on the ticket.

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

If one was a supporter of Hillary, then it seems a fair assumption that one also agreed with her policies. And yet, all of those must be discarded to vote for this woman. I just don't see them being successful in that regard. People didn't just want to see "a woman" on the ticket. They wanted to see a specific woman on that ticket. If the Pubs threw Mariah Carey on the ticket, I don't think you are going see Hillary supporters flocking to support her.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by 3894

You're equating Biden with Palin? You need more sleep.

Perhaps you need some sleep. I made absolutely no comment on either Biden or Palin in that post and certainly did nothing to compare them.

My comment was purely on the obviousness partisan nature of the responses by the nattering class to the selections. And that, therefore, they are essentially meaningless since they come from no attempt at actual analysis but rather are overt spin.

But if you'd like, here is my comparison of them:

In terms of the impact they have on how I am going to vote they are equal. I don't particularly give a damn who is selected as vice president because, though a non-zero chance, my views of the actual candidates for president are never so equal that I need to go to the twelfth tie-breaker.

As to which I would prefer be president if I had to choose between Biden and Palin, Biden would obviously be the choice. As to which I think would make a better advisor to the president, again I would say Biden.

That said, for me to say that I would not vote for Palin as president does not require me to decide she is a horrible person, or a horrible mother, or an idiot, or an empty shirt, or minimize her by calling her a MILF, or emphasizing that she once did well in a beauty pageant.

It is perfectly possible to think she is not cut out to be president while still thinking that she is likely a decent, intelligent, articulate person with whom I have significant political differences. 24 hours ago half the commentators on TV were still struggling to find the proper pronunciation of her name and yet by noon they had all set their opinions of her in Quikcrete. Opinions, that just oh so conveniently fit the narrative for success by their preferred candidate.

She may be the return of Dick Nixon or she may be the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. It doesn't matter, she is on the underside of a political ticket lead by a candidate I'm not gonig to vote for regardless.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

If one was a supporter of Hillary, then it seems a fair assumption that one also agreed with her policies. And yet, all of those must be discarded to vote for this woman. I just don't see them being successful in that regard. People didn't just want to see "a woman" on the ticket. They wanted to see a specific woman on that ticket. If the Pubs threw Mariah Carey on the ticket, I don't think you are going see Hillary supporters flocking to support her.

True that. I have a hard time envisioning many women that will vote solely on possession of a vagina. Hilary is a bad-ass in many ways. I wouldn't have been too unhappy if she had got the ticket. Palin is so clearly patriachy's b!tch that I can't imagine many empowered women giving their vote to her. All this does is give people who were already gonna vote McCain a warm fuzzy feeling that they're voting in as radical a way as those of us voting Joebama.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

She can appeal to them, only if they are willing to compromise every other issue that they believe in. This is a woman who thinks that creationism should be taught in school, that is pro-life, pro-drilling in ANWR, anti-environment, etc.

Anti-environment? Is pro-drilling automatically anti-environment? Or is there something else....I bet her website says she's for dirty air and water and the The Exxon Valdez was her dream ship.

In the same way that there are many one issue voters when it comes to abortion or tax policy or whatever, I would figure there are many one issue voters when it comes to a woman breaking through the "glass ceiling" and becoming VP.

[tracilicious]

Those people are idiots and should be made to wear signs stating such.

[scaeagles]

Are you referring to one issue voters in general or one issue voters on the glass ceiling aspect?

I don't understand one issue voters, personally, or one issue making someone a great candidate or party member vs. someone being a horrid candidate or a traitor. One issue (Iraq and terrorism in particular....I guess that's two, so i'll call it national defense to make it one) has separated one Joe Leiberman from the democrat even though he is a big time dem party line voter on every other issue. Does that mean the dems are stupid for black balling him over one issue? The same can be said for republicans that black ball a candidate who may not be as staunchly pro-life as they would like.

[Sohrshah]

Just Sayin'

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Are you referring to one issue voters in general or one issue voters on the glass ceiling aspect?

I mean one issue voters, but particularly this issue. Her being a woman isn't even an issue. It's genetics.

Though I will say that I find voting for someone with whom you staunchly disagree with on all but one issue to be ridiculous, but voting against someone that you generally agree with but staunchly disagree with on one issue to be perfectly understandable. If my politics are generally aligned with someone, but they are intent on criminalizing abortion, no way in Satan's hell are they gonna get my vote.

[cirquelover]

I don't know who the people are but an amazing likeness to McCain and Palin!

[scaeagles]

You say you mean one issue voters, but then go on to say it is understandable, particularly with your one issue.

To you it may seem like an issue of genetics. To other women, it is symbolic of the obstacles women have faced in their lifetimes.