CA Ballot Propositions 2008

[Morrigoon]

FINALLY a train from SF to (okay, thru) LA? Awesome. Totally for that, esp. with airfare these days.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

FINALLY a train from SF to (okay, thru) LA? Awesome. Totally for that, esp. with airfare these days.

Don't hold your breath for it being much cheaper than flying.

[innerSpaceman]

I only want high-speed rail if it's L.A. to Vegas.




And are you meaning to tell me there's ballot propositions other than Prop 8???

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I only want high-speed rail if it's L.A. to Vegas.

That's a different proposal, not so far advanced as of yet.

[innerSpaceman]

BTD, that makes no sense. They have the same last name. Goonie is wondering about people with different last names who share the same address.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

BTD, that makes no sense. They have the same last name. Goonie is wondering about people with different last names who share the same address.

They are probably deduping by address only.

This means that they only send one booklet to each address.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Haven't looked at mine yet. I'm generally not a big fan of ballot props and I generally vote no.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Just got the booklet. I guess they're saving paper by only sending one per household?

Don't know if this matters, but when I hit voting age, our booklets were address to me and my dad as if we were married, since my mom isn't a citizen (green card). It was creepy. We did have the same last name then, of course.

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Don't hold your breath for it being much cheaper than flying.

The claim made by the proponents is that it would cost $50, and that driving it costs $87 in gas alone. Wonder what all that is based on.

Supposedly - The fact-finding has all been done and this would go directly towards building the thing.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The claim made by the proponents is that it would cost $50, and that driving it costs $87 in gas alone. Wonder what all that is based on.

(Only doing the math because I was curious.)

It is 409 miles from Disneyland to Ghirardelli Square. On the road, my car averages 23 MPG (if I slowed down, it would be better, but I just can't do that). This means that a one-way trip to San Francisco would require approximately 17.783 gallons of gas. I use regular unleaded and I filled up last night at $3.499 per gallon.

17.783 gallons x $3.499 per gallon = $62.22 Fuel cost for a one-way trip

Obviously, several factors are going to vary, but I think that $60-$65 for gas for a one-way trip to SF is a fair assumption. And of course, wear-and-tear on your car (not to mention your car burning to the ground and spawning an annual tradition) is not included.

I don't know if the $50 cost is one-way or round trip, so I am not sure if the comparison is accurate. But I am suspicious of that figure as an actual (non-subsidized) fare - when was the last time a sell value presented in the planning stages was anywhere near the reality once the project was completed?

[innerSpaceman]

Flying's already cheaper than driving LA to SF.