A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[Tom]

Originally Posted by katiesue

Now if 8 were to get voted down you still couldn’t be gay and “married” in the Catholic Church’s eyes because they wouldn’t perform the ceremony, which is their right. I know many people who are Catholic who were not married in the church but elsewhere and unless you later go in and have your “marriage” blessed, to the church it’s a “civil union” anyway. So I don’t get the threat or problem.

This is a very logical response to an illogical position. Favoring prop 8 comes from fear and hatred of gay people. If it were otherwise, then truthful and logical arguments could be offered in its defense. The false and logically twisted arguments that its supporters make are obvious covers for their true reasons, which are not considered politically acceptable to be spoken of openly.

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by katiesue

I know many people who are Catholic who were not married in the church but elsewhere and unless you later go in and have your “marriage” blessed, to the church it’s a “civil union” anyway. So I don’t get the threat or problem.

The threat and problem is that the church thinks that gay people are sinful and that gay relationships are an abomination. Therefore, they will try to block all attempts to validate gay relationships. As marriage is the ultimate form of relationship validity (both socially and legally), the religious idiots want to block it for the same reason that we want it. Having gay marriage legal means that it is truly okay to be gay, and that scares the living crap out of their homophobic arses.

[Ghoulish Delight]

There is absolutely nothing that voting against prop 8 will do to change a church's tax-exempt status nor its right to choose who it will and will not perform marriages for. Period. The pro-8 is utter nonsense and outright lies. It's beyond me how it's even legal to use false information in a political campaign.

[Gemini Cricket]

A pastor volunteers at a phone bank in conservative-leaning Orange County on Oct. 16 to urge Californians to vote no on Proposition 8, which would outlaw same-sex marriages in the state.

Source

[BarTopDancer]

I heard Pepperdine issues a cease and desist order for the "professor" in one of the Yes on 8 ads. I can't find a link for the story though

[BarTopDancer]

I think I am going to be more pissed if 8 passes than I am going to be if McCain wins.

[CoasterMatt]

Here's the story on the Pepperdine professor.

[Morrigoon]

Okay, here's a rough draft of my flyer (Times New Roman, 18-point type for Header and Footer (bolded here), 14-point type for the body):

What is Proposition 8
And why should you vote NO?

This election season, there is one thing on the ballot with even greater long-term consequences for Californians than just deciding who gets to mess up Washington for the next 4 years.

Proposition 8 is an assault on personal rights. It is an attempt by out-of-state special interests to amend OUR state constitution to make discriminating against gays legal. It not only permits, but requires the state to treat gays like second-class citizens by refusing them the right to get married to their chosen spouse, therefore depriving them of all the rights and privileges that come with marriage and are considered essential for the efficient operation of a combined household. Domestic partnerships are NOT the same, and only convey a small fraction of the rights and privileges afforded to everyone else.

If Proposition 8 passes, over twelve thousand marriages will be nullified. Tens of thousands of future marriages will be forbidden.

41 years ago, in the landmark civil rights case, Loving vs. Virginia, the US Supreme Court ended race-based legal restrictions on marriage. As absurd as bans on interracial marriage sound to us today, so will Proposition 8 sound to our children and grandchildren 40 years from now. And just as you should be embarrassed for previous generations’ racism, so you should be embarrassed for today’s bigots, attempting to write their own phobias into the state’s Constitution. There is no difference between voting to ban gay marriage today and voting to ban interracial marriage half a century ago. Proponents of Proposition 8 are using the same arguments that were used to support anti-miscegenation laws in the early part of the last century. As we are reminded every Martin Luther King Day, separate is not equal. The only way to treat opposite-sex unions the same as same-sex ones without allowing same-sex marriage is to eliminate legal marriage entirely, changing all current marriages into civil unions as well. If you really want to protect marriage, protect it for everyone.

Proposition 8 is hate legislation.

Vote NO on Prop Hate!

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Okay, here's a rough draft of my flyer...

I love it.
Visible mojo for Morrigoon.

[Morrigoon]

Too wordy, but I can't help myself. And maybe logic will reach some folks.