Prop 8 Protest Information Thread - Page 30

Alex · 11-17-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Only people who live outside of this state think that "Cali" sounds cool.

And people outside of California generally don't give a flying blip what people from Cali think.

Hell, I've been here a decade and I can barely bring myself to do it.

Cadaverous Pallor · 11-17-2008, 07:28 PM

VAM for the research!

Alex · 11-17-2008, 07:35 PM

Which 38 states do you see passing a gay right amendment to the constitution? I'd be amazed if you could get 15, let alone 38 (and an amendment would never get out of congress without a kill switch so you couldn't let it sit for 190 years like we did the 27th Amendment).

Or, to even get to that point, which 66 senators and 288 congressman? Even if the Democrats votes unanimously in favor of such an amendment (and they wouldn't) they're nowhere close the the threshhold.

No, the only chance any time soon for full secured equality for gays is if the US Supreme Court decides that it is already there in the constitution. Just as there is no way we'd pass such an amendment I think it is probably (though we just got bit in the ass on that assumption, didn't we) true that an amendment to reverse the USSC probably wouldn't get anywhere either.

innerSpaceman · 11-17-2008, 07:42 PM

And I have to agree with Alex the only way to get this federalized is to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

And if the "Cali" Supreme Court goes against us, it seems as if we'd have a U.S. Supreme Court case right away.

Would it be wise to take it there at this time? Would they even take the case? Does the current make-up of the Court bode well, or would waiting for some potentially more liberal future Court be wiser?

Interesting questions. I wish my civil rights didn't depend on them.

Alex · 11-17-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And I have to agree with Alex the only way to get this federalized is to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

And if the "Cali" Supreme Court goes against us, it seems as if we'd have a U.S. Supreme Court case right away.

Are you talking about a separate case arguing against Prop 8 on 14th amendment grounds or the case arguing against Prop 8 on technical grounds as to whether it was a legitimate topic for a proposition?

Would the latter even be reviewable by the USSC? (And if so, does it seem likely they'd grant cert?)

Isaac · 11-17-2008, 07:49 PM

innerSpaceman · 11-17-2008, 07:49 PM

I'm thinking a separate case againt Prop 8 on 14th Amendment grounds because, no, I don't think the technical Prop 8 case currently before the Cali Supremes would be reviewable by the Fed Supremes.

Gemini Cricket · 11-17-2008, 07:52 PM

I like "Cali" as much as I like "Frisco". Bleh!

Gemini Cricket · 11-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Kevy Baby · 11-17-2008, 08:46 PM

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Which 38 states do you see passing a gay right amendment to the constitution? I'd be amazed if you could get 15, let alone 38 (and an amendment would never get out of congress without a kill switch so you couldn't let it sit for 190 years like we did the 27th Amendment). Or, to even get to that point, which 66 senators and 288 congressman? Even if the Democrats votes unanimously in favor of such an amendment (and they wouldn't) they're nowhere close the the threshhold. No, the only chance any time soon for full secured equality for gays is if the US Supreme Court decides that it is already there in the constitution. Just as there is no way we'd pass such an amendment I think it is probably (though we just got bit in the ass on that assumption, didn't we) true that an amendment to reverse the USSC probably wouldn't get anywhere either.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And I have to agree with Alex the only way to get this federalized is to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court. And if the "Cali" Supreme Court goes against us, it seems as if we'd have a U.S. Supreme Court case right away. Would it be wise to take it there at this time? Would they even take the case? Does the current make-up of the Court bode well, or would waiting for some potentially more liberal future Court be wiser? Interesting questions. I wish my civil rights didn't depend on them.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I'm thinking a separate case againt Prop 8 on 14th Amendment grounds because, no, I don't think the technical Prop 8 case currently before the Cali Supremes would be reviewable by the Fed Supremes.
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