Star Trek - Page 25

innerSpaceman · 05-18-2009, 11:26 AM

The denouement of the Kelvin scene is the most brilliant part of the film. I've praised that scene before. The emotions at that moment are high, and the mood goes from sad to exhuberant in a moment, with the best musical score and visuals in the entire movie.

Alex · 05-18-2009, 11:50 AM

Yes. Many of those references are from actual episodes of The Original Series.

A lot of the Christopher Pike stuff comes from the two-part episode The Menagerie (the one that reused a lot of the original pilot before Shatner was attached).

The work history of Kirk prior to the Enterprise was mentioned in a couple episodes ("Court Martial" puts him aboard the USS Republic as his first duty, and "Obsession" puts him on the USS Farragut about a decade getting the Enterprise). This is an example of the canon not being consistent depending on how you align things it took him 8-15 years to get his first ship.

Then there's the fact that stardates are used in all the episodes and in the movie placing them in time relative to each other.

By those dates, the start of the original series is 2265 and the events of the movie are in 2258 so there is at least a 7 year gap. However, the movie also moves the initial launch of the enterprise from 2245 to 2258.

So Kirk is getting the ship at least 7 years earlier in his life than in the original timeline and the Enterprise is about 20 years younger when he gets it in the new timeline than in the original.

I'm not really too bothered by it all. Timeline is always bent to the needs of the story so as long as the story is ok then I won't be too bothered by it. Trying to make the pieces fit is just part of the fun.

Alex · 05-18-2009, 11:51 AM

Kamikaze piloting always brings a patriotic tear to my eye, so long as it is done by white people speaking English.

mistyisjafo · 05-19-2009, 10:25 AM

Star Trek was so unbelievably good. I was so happy that it turned out to be such a good movie. I loved that it referenced many old shows, the actors took on many of the original series habits/speech patterns and Chris Pine is the perfect replacement for "The Shat".

I'm not clear on some of the plot about the time travel stuff. But who cares? Alternate reality? Cool!

Looking forward to seeing it again and getting it on DVD.

JWBear · 05-19-2009, 11:38 AM

I'm begining to think that there are two Star Trek movies out there, 'cause I can't believe you all watched the same movie I did...

mousepod · 05-19-2009, 12:46 PM

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I'm begining to think that there are two Star Trek movies out there, 'cause I can't believe you all watched the same movie I did...

You just have to say that some people are going to like it, and leave it at that.

Sure, it's frustrating when arguing logic vs emotion (very Trek-like, no?), but I know that the things that infuriate me about the movie are things that don't even matter to those who enjoy it.

I was talking to someone who won't read or watch Twilight because she rewrote the rules for vampires.

I always claim to be an apologist for genre movies, even though I know that most of them are crap. When so many of my friends love a particular genre flick that I know in my heart of hearts isn't a "good" movie, it's probably better to just let 'em.

I'm reminded of my pro-Suspiria arguments a year or so ago. I'm aware of the faults of the movie, but I feel that the pros far outweigh the cons. Many of my friends don't agree. C'est la vie.

I've made my points about Star Trek. I'm ready to move on.

Alex · 05-19-2009, 12:51 PM

I have faith that we'll all come together again in hating Transformers 2. Sure, there were people who liked the first one, but we've all got two years of additional wisdom built up so that shouldn't be a problem this time around.

Pirate Bill · 05-19-2009, 12:57 PM

I had no plans to see Transformers 2 in the theater until my wife saw the trailer and is now insisting that we go see it. I'm just going to put aside the desire for a good movie and enjoy Megan Fox and Transformer action.

Jazzman · 05-19-2009, 01:08 PM

Yay! We've pushed the Star Trek thread to 250 posts! We rock! Woo hoo!!!

Ahem... Carry on.

Gemini Cricket · 05-19-2009, 01:10 PM

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Yay! We've pushed the Star Trek thread to 250 posts! We rock! Woo hoo!!!

Ahem... Carry on.

Yay! Congrats! We're all nerds!

05-18-2009, 11:26 AM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	The denouement of the Kelvin scene is the most brilliant part of the film. I've praised that scene before. The emotions at that moment are high, and the mood goes from sad to exhuberant in a moment, with the best musical score and visuals in the entire movie.
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05-18-2009, 11:50 AM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yes. Many of those references are from actual episodes of The Original Series. A lot of the Christopher Pike stuff comes from the two-part episode The Menagerie (the one that reused a lot of the original pilot before Shatner was attached). The work history of Kirk prior to the Enterprise was mentioned in a couple episodes ("Court Martial" puts him aboard the USS Republic as his first duty, and "Obsession" puts him on the USS Farragut about a decade getting the Enterprise). This is an example of the canon not being consistent depending on how you align things it took him 8-15 years to get his first ship. Then there's the fact that stardates are used in all the episodes and in the movie placing them in time relative to each other. By those dates, the start of the original series is 2265 and the events of the movie are in 2258 so there is at least a 7 year gap. However, the movie also moves the initial launch of the enterprise from 2245 to 2258. So Kirk is getting the ship at least 7 years earlier in his life than in the original timeline and the Enterprise is about 20 years younger when he gets it in the new timeline than in the original. I'm not really too bothered by it all. Timeline is always bent to the needs of the story so as long as the story is ok then I won't be too bothered by it. Trying to make the pieces fit is just part of the fun.
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05-18-2009, 11:51 AM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Kamikaze piloting always brings a patriotic tear to my eye, so long as it is done by white people speaking English.
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mistyisjafo A JAFO Production Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 567	Star Trek was so unbelievably good. I was so happy that it turned out to be such a good movie. I loved that it referenced many old shows, the actors took on many of the original series habits/speech patterns and Chris Pine is the perfect replacement for "The Shat". I'm not clear on some of the plot about the time travel stuff. But who cares? Alternate reality? Cool! Looking forward to seeing it again and getting it on DVD. __________________
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I'm begining to think that there are two Star Trek movies out there, 'cause I can't believe you all watched the same movie I did... __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I have faith that we'll all come together again in hating Transformers 2. Sure, there were people who liked the first one, but we've all got two years of additional wisdom built up so that shouldn't be a problem this time around.
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Pirate Bill Quality since 1973 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 473	I had no plans to see Transformers 2 in the theater until my wife saw the trailer and is now insisting that we go see it. I'm just going to put aside the desire for a good movie and enjoy Megan Fox and Transformer action.
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Jazzman Sax God Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland's Tijuana Posts: 510	Yay! We've pushed the Star Trek thread to 250 posts! We rock! Woo hoo!!! Ahem... Carry on.
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