Lost!

[BarTopDancer]

I'm loving the one-liners.

Last week "He's Korean, I'm from Encino"
This week "We're not going to Guam, are we?"

I hope they keep them up.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

If they remain consistent with previous instances of time travel, they vanished.

But that's only with people actually on the island. What happens if you time travel to the island?

[sleepyjeff]

During season 3 Kate and Sawyer were working on what we later learned from Juliet was a landing strip.......

Could the plane have landed on the Island(well, the other Island actually) after the O-6 vanished?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by bewitched

But that's only with people actually on the island. What happens if you time travel to the island?

The plane was in the Island's airspace. It's like how Jin was blown off the ship then time traveled in the water. The island has a blast zone.

As for how they got from the plane to the land, my assumption would be that you never materialize in time in mid air - though they had it much better than Locke did in the well.

Originally Posted by bewitched

I meant to point out earlier that Locke is an example of this...he is dead in the real world and alive on the island. Both places at one time (well, really 3 years apart, but time isn't moving at a parallel pace). Granted, the circumstances are different but I think it is clear that TPTB's version of "time" travel allows for a person to be in more than one reality (place and/or time).

I don't think that's true at all. Locke was alive, then he left the island, and now he's dead. We were seeing it simultaneously because everything on the island was a flashback to just after the 6 left. That's why, now that they're back, they find Jin in a new circumstance, driving a Dharma van, because he's been living on the island for 3 years since they left.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

Anyone else watching Fringe?

I tried to watch it, and like it. I really did. But Olivia's voice annoyed the holy crap out of me.

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The plane was in the Island's airspace. It's like how Jin was blown off the ship then time traveled in the water. The island has a blast zone.

But that doesn't negate the idea that they can occupy 2 different realities (times/places) at the same time.

I don't think that's true at all. Locke was alive, then he left the island, and now he's dead. We were seeing it simultaneously because everything on the island was a flashback to just after the 6 left. That's why, now that they're back, they find Jin in a new circumstance, driving a Dharma van, because he's been living on the island for 3 years since they left.

I've always had the impression that time moves much more slowly on the island than it does off of the island. I don't remember them ever insinuating or showing that they were just leaving out 2 9/10 years on the island. Jack stated that Locke came to him and Kate a couple of months ago (In There's no Place Like Home), not a couple of years ago.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by bewitched

But that doesn't negate the idea that they can occupy 2 different realities (times/places) at the same time.

Where do you see evidence of that idea?

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Where do you see evidence of that idea?

Originally Posted by Whitney

I don't remember them ever insinuating or showing that they were just leaving out 2 9/10 years on the island. Jack stated that Locke came to him and Kate a couple of months ago (In There's no Place Like Home), not a couple of years ago.

I'm also still standing by my feeling that I think they are skipping through time based on a parallel universe or multiverse theory, both of which postulate that all times exist concurrently and moving through time would not be skipping forward or backward linearly but moving from one already existing world (not constrained by time) to another. The most reasonable mode of travel between universes on the show, IMO (based on what I've seen) would be through wormholes (which, while not general referred to in most multiverse theories, does provide a means of travel which is not rejected in the theory). In this scenario, one would in effect, exist in two places at one time since the person entering the wormhole would only "appear" to be gone for an infinitesimally small fraction of a second to the people observing (ala the movie Contact). This would also explain why "windows are only open for a finite period of time" (as Eloise stated) since one end of a traversable wormhole in physics is generally regarded as being "accelerated" or to have a higher gravitational field than the other end, i.e. are not stationary. This allows for time at the exit to have moved at a slower pace than time at the entrance (although time within the wormhole would seem to move at a consistent pace).

I once heard someone describe parallel universes as "we are all living and all dying at all times"; in other words, we are, in effect, immortal. One of the guys that writes the show said in an interview that their concept of time travel was rooted in a scientifically accepted theory.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

If the Island has always been traveling through time like Eloise Hawking said, how is it that the freighter could stay parked outside of the Island's "blast zone" and venture to it any time they pleased—bearing 300º or not?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

If the Island has always been traveling through time like Eloise Hawking said, how is it that the freighter could stay parked outside of the Island's "blast zone" and venture to it any time they pleased—bearing 300º or not?

She said they were able to predict the when and where it would be, and that it was in a spot for a window, and that this current window was about to close. The island isn't constantly moving, it's still for a bit, then moves, then still, then moves. Remember all the talk about "moving the island"?

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

If the Island has always been traveling through time like Eloise Hawking said...

I don't think the island has always been moving through time. It has been moving from location to location. Her words (paraphrased...but I watched it 3 times yesterday so I might be close), "Instead of trying to discover where the island is supposed to be, they found a way to locate where it's going to be...in time." She emphasized "time" which makes it sound like it is time traveling always. But I think it actually means they can predict the where and when. As in, "the island will be located at these exact coordinates at this exact time."