Lost!

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

That was a great episode.

I agree...I loved this episode.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Bah! Pirate Bill beat me to it.

[Disneyphile]

Ben is friggin evil. I love him.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Disneyphile

Ben is friggin evil. I love him.

I think my friend Mike and I may be the only two people who don't think he's evil. Heh.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

I think my friend Mike and I may be the only two people who don't think he's evil. Heh.

I'm not convinced he's evil and this week's episode sways me to the not-evil camp even more. He didn't kill Rousseau, told her to run when she hears the whispers (I was hoping they would get more into what the whispers are), wouldn't kill Alex and you could see him rethink killing Penny when her son appeared.

I haven't liked him most of the series but I didn't like Juliet either and she's proven herself to not be horrible (thus far). I still want to know what happened to the children the Others took at the beginning of the series..

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I haven't liked him most of the series but I didn't like Juliet either and she's proven herself to not be horrible (thus far). I still want to know what happened to the children the Others took at the beginning of the series..

I've loved him, evil or good, because he's what interested me about the show at a time when I was rapidly losing interest.

I would like to know what happened to those kids, too.

Also, when he warned Frenchie about the whispers, I thought it was more threat than out of consideration for her safety. He said, "If you want your daughter to live," which I took to mean that if Rosseau followed the whispers as a way to find her daughter, they would kill her daughter. I don't know. I've been wrong many times about this show.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So....all the other stuff Ben did was a-ok, all the other people he tortured or killed, directly or indirectly...but having his daughter killed instead of leaving the island, that's the one thing the island has a problem with?

The smokey bit was hokey. Did anyone find it compelling, or somehow emotional?

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

So....all the other stuff Ben did was a-ok, all the other people he tortured or killed, directly or indirectly...

I'm having trouble thinking of someone Ben killed or had killed who Smokey would not judge to be bad or bad for the island. I'm not saying Ben was justified in killing off the Dharma folks or that they were bad people deserving of death. Just that it's probably what the island wanted, by Smokey's judgement.

Maybe Alex's death is, so far, the only "bad" consequence as a direct result of Ben's selfish actions.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

I'm having trouble thinking of someone Ben killed or had killed who Smokey would not judge to be bad or bad for the island. I'm not saying Ben was justified in killing off the Dharma folks or that they were bad people deserving of death. Just that it's probably what the island wanted, by Smokey's judgement.

Maybe Alex's death is, so far, the only "bad" consequence as a direct result of Ben's selfish actions.

See, her death was less a result of his selfishness than some others, wasn't it? If he was doing what the Island wanted - not give up at any cost - than he may feel guilty over Alex's death because he could have prevented it. But he may have done the right thing (for the Island) by not preventing it. Whereas, when he sent Goodwin off on a dangerous mission to infiltrate the tail end crash victims' camp, Ben did so to separate Goodwin and Juliette because he was jealous. That was definitely selfishly motivated. He had to send someone, sure, but he sent Goodwin to be a prick.

I wonder if we'll ever fully understand how Smokey passes judgment. When Eko saw visions within the smoke, he was then killed. I wonder if it's how one judges himself that decides whether he lives or dies. Eko had respect for the Island, but perhaps Eko judged himself as unworthy and was killed. (Or, you know, because the actor wanted to leave the show.) And perhaps Ben, even faced with the consequences of his actions, truly believed he did what was necessary. Even if he is haunted by guilt and craves forgiveness. Based only on two scenarios, it seems the person being judged as some say. But I am probably grasping at straws.

Still wondering about the curious mechanical noise Smokey makes when it's out and about the Island.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The smokey bit was hokey. Did anyone find it compelling, or somehow emotional?

I did in a "this is your life" manner. I was so happy to not have to stop-motion the replay or hunt out the slides on the internet like we had to do for Eko.