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scaeagles · 07-24-2009, 05:09 PM

OK...I can perhaps see, based upon that definition of Massachusetts disorderly conduct, that this guy should not have hauled him away.

However, I do not believe it was racially motivated in anyway.

And GC, I wonder, based on your post, what would happen if, say, he was so wound up he ended up harming himself or someone else. Granted, there is nothing to say in this situation he would have. But if he had not erred on the side of caution and something had happened, there would be cries of him not caring enough about an elderly black man to help him.

Alex · 07-24-2009, 05:25 PM

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However, I do not believe it was racially motivated in anyway.

That seems a leap of faith unwarranted by the story. I don't think it is necessary to explain the story but it is hardly outside the realm of precedent that police might treat a black man more harshly than othwlerwise.

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But if he had not erred on the side of caution and something had happened, there would be cries of him not caring enough about an elderly black man to help him.

There might be such cries but then i'd argue they're wrong as well.

I'm perplexed at how arresting someone with no legal justification is erring on the side of caution and not simply an abuse of power. There are completely different recourses available if the lice feek you're unstable and pose a physical risk to yourself or others. Those channels were not used and nothing in the police record suggests they were considered. He was arrested for making a scene.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-24-2009, 05:11 PM

Nor did Obama.

scaeagles · 07-24-2009, 05:15 PM

I didn't say the guy was stupid, though....Obama did. I agree with GC that he erred on the side off caution. Stupid would have been to beat the hell out of the man or engage him in some form of shouting match.

Gemini Cricket · 07-24-2009, 05:22 PM

I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing. Which is why I don't think the officer should be disciplined harshly.

My problem with Obama's comment was stated in the comment itself. He said he didn't see all of the facts and yet he said the cop acted stupidly. Hey, I'm guilty of doing that all the time, but I'm just an internet mischief-maker and not the president.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-24-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I didn't say the guy was stupid, though....Obama did. I agree with GC that he erred on the side off caution. Stupid would have been to beat the hell out of the man or engage him in some form of shouting match.

No, he did not say the guy was stupid, he said he made a stupid decision.

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

My problem with Obama's comment was stated in the comment itself. He said he didn't see all of the facts and yet he said the cop acted stupidly. Hey, I'm guilty of doing that all the time, but I'm just an internet mischief-maker and not the president.

Again, not what he said. He said he didn't have all the facts to determine the stupid decision was racially motivated, but still felt it was a stupid decision, racially motivated or not.

Gemini Cricket · 07-24-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Again, not what he said. He said he didn't have all the facts to determine the stupid decision was racially motivated, but still felt it was a stupid decision, racially motivated or not.

I'm not pointing it out in regards to race or anything. Obama made a decision that the police acted stupidly without knowing everything about what happened.

innerSpaceman · 07-24-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing.

Damned if you don't? You think there would have been a stink about this if the officer had apologized, gotten into his patrol car and driven away?

That pretty much makes this a non-story. Obama would have never been asked about it. It would not have even made the Harvard Faculty Weekly Newsrag.

PuLease.

Alex · 07-24-2009, 05:28 PM

That was typed on my phone. "lice feek" is "police feel"

scaeagles · 07-24-2009, 06:09 PM

Oh, and I retract my statement about Obama not saying it was racially motivated. He didn't directly say it, but he certainly implied it when he added to his comments how there has been a history of police mistreating African americans and latinos.

And you're getting wrapped up in semantics. To say someone acted stupidly is to say they were stupid in what they did. So yes, I believe Obama called him stupid.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	OK...I can perhaps see, based upon that definition of Massachusetts disorderly conduct, that this guy should not have hauled him away. However, I do not believe it was racially motivated in anyway. And GC, I wonder, based on your post, what would happen if, say, he was so wound up he ended up harming himself or someone else. Granted, there is nothing to say in this situation he would have. But if he had not erred on the side of caution and something had happened, there would be cries of him not caring enough about an elderly black man to help him.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Nor did Obama. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I didn't say the guy was stupid, though....Obama did. I agree with GC that he erred on the side off caution. Stupid would have been to beat the hell out of the man or engage him in some form of shouting match.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing. Which is why I don't think the officer should be disciplined harshly. My problem with Obama's comment was stated in the comment itself. He said he didn't see all of the facts and yet he said the cop acted stupidly. Hey, I'm guilty of doing that all the time, but I'm just an internet mischief-maker and not the president.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That was typed on my phone. "lice feek" is "police feel"
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Oh, and I retract my statement about Obama not saying it was racially motivated. He didn't directly say it, but he certainly implied it when he added to his comments how there has been a history of police mistreating African americans and latinos. And you're getting wrapped up in semantics. To say someone acted stupidly is to say they were stupid in what they did. So yes, I believe Obama called him stupid.
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