Gay Apartheid - Page 9

Strangler Lewis · 10-02-2009, 12:26 PM

I know a number of very nice conservatives. Some of them live in my neighborhood. They run small businesses. They teach their children the golden rule. We get along fine. However, every once in a while, in every day conversation, these people will open their mouths and say things that come from a very dark and bad place. It passes, and we go on.

The problem is that when the opinion pollsters come knocking, the dark places answer the door. Talk radio caters to the dark places, and the dark places do the voting. So, for shorthand purposes of discussion, I have no trouble with ISM's generalization, even if it does not portray all self-identifying conservatives with nuanced thoroughness worthy of George Eliot.

That said, I want to cast my vote against some of the gaudier displays of humility and the paralyzing egalitarianism that seem to have infected the political discussions here lately.

innerSpaceman · 10-02-2009, 12:44 PM

Dear Cadaverous Pallour:

Welcome to the LoT. We are NOT solving humanity's problems here; we are just shooting the sh!t. Relax. If I were a member of the United Nations or so much as a representative of your local bakery, I would not make the same comments.

However, here on the LoT, I feel free ... and I hope you do as well ... to express oneself in a non-politically correct fashion that suits a current mood and outlook and opinion.

With that said, I respect what you wrote and I admire its wisdom and inner truth. But I feel such admonitions are inapplicable to this particular venue ... which I remind you most gently ... is the LoT.

Sincerely,

innerSpaceman · 10-02-2009, 12:54 PM

I feel really bad about scaeagles feeling turned away. I was following that thread, and really didn't see much out of the common LoT vernacular of occasional excess.

I don't follow every link, but I'm not sure how to compare liberal excesses and conservative excesses as anything but apples and oranges. For one thing, even during the reign of Bush, I didn't see much advocation of violence against him or other members of his government. I also didn't see any sky-is-falling stories about what MIGHT happen, but rather condemnation with solid and thoughtful evidence of what HAS happened. Some of that may have included predictions of further consequences based on what HAS happened, but those predictions were usually thoughtful and based on solid evidence of historical fact.

I'm sure there's some prejudice of mine creeping into that assessment, but that's how I see it.

JWBear · 10-02-2009, 01:00 PM

And, as to your "Lets all get along" stance... Bullshyt. I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

BarTopDancer · 10-02-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

And, as to your "Lets all get along" stance... Bullshyt. I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

Then you're part of the problem too.

Have fun with your extremist war against extremists.

JWBear · 10-02-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Then you're part of the problem too.

Have fun with your extremist war against extremists.

Extreme?! You have got to be kidding lady! So, calling out the right-wing lunacy is "extreme" in your book? Should we all have just shut up and sat on our hands when Prop 8 passed? According to you, speaking out and protesting were "extreme". Should civil rights never have been passed in this country? Protesting the treatment of blacks and other minorities.. was that "extreme" too? Perhaps we shouldn't have fought that "extreme" civil war. Or become independant from Britain. Talk about "extreme"!

You can sit idly by and do nothing while the lies are repeated over and over. Cover your eyes when the violence erupt. Fine, go right ahead; it's your right. But please do not attact those of us who are standing up for what's right.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-02-2009, 01:35 PM

Call out lunacy. Post about specific stupidity. Work to fight against ignorance.

I'm with you.

But when you say "all blanks are blank", you have lost me, and most other people too.

As for "this is the LoT", this is why I care, and why I'm still talking to you and others. We were both there, Steve, when we helped design the LoT. It's my baby as much as it is yours and I care about what goes on here.

Many times when I go head to head with someone who disagrees with me, I get PMs from sympathetic souls who say "just put them on ignore". I do not use ignore. The reason being, I would rather call people on their ugly sh.t than let it continue on the LoT.

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!".

This is exactly what I'm saying. When you (yes you, friends of mine) post hatred and bile, I will stand up and say no, enough.

I'm sorry guys, but you can call me "PC" all you want, but when I see crap like this, I'm going to mention it. I have gotten enough mojo for my posts to know that I'm not alone in this, either, even if others aren't able to join the fray publicly. This is what advocacy is all about.

And again - I know I am guilty of this as well, and I hope that someone else would have the courage to call me out for it.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-02-2009, 01:30 PM

Okay, we're done.

Talk issues and news, or I start closing threads.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-02-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Okay, we're done.

Talk issues and news, or I start closing threads.

Sorry, didn't see this before I posted. You won't hear more from me on this here, Mr. Admin.

JWBear · 10-02-2009, 01:44 PM

Well, obviously I'm not going to be allowed to defend myself, or speak out against what I see as wrong. So, goodbye everyone.

10-02-2009, 12:26 PM	#1
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I know a number of very nice conservatives. Some of them live in my neighborhood. They run small businesses. They teach their children the golden rule. We get along fine. However, every once in a while, in every day conversation, these people will open their mouths and say things that come from a very dark and bad place. It passes, and we go on. The problem is that when the opinion pollsters come knocking, the dark places answer the door. Talk radio caters to the dark places, and the dark places do the voting. So, for shorthand purposes of discussion, I have no trouble with ISM's generalization, even if it does not portray all self-identifying conservatives with nuanced thoroughness worthy of George Eliot. That said, I want to cast my vote against some of the gaudier displays of humility and the paralyzing egalitarianism that seem to have infected the political discussions here lately. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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10-02-2009, 12:44 PM	#2
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Dear Cadaverous Pallour: Welcome to the LoT. We are NOT solving humanity's problems here; we are just shooting the sh!t. Relax. If I were a member of the United Nations or so much as a representative of your local bakery, I would not make the same comments. However, here on the LoT, I feel free ... and I hope you do as well ... to express oneself in a non-politically correct fashion that suits a current mood and outlook and opinion. With that said, I respect what you wrote and I admire its wisdom and inner truth. But I feel such admonitions are inapplicable to this particular venue ... which I remind you most gently ... is the LoT. Sincerely,
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10-02-2009, 12:54 PM	#3
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I feel really bad about scaeagles feeling turned away. I was following that thread, and really didn't see much out of the common LoT vernacular of occasional excess. I don't follow every link, but I'm not sure how to compare liberal excesses and conservative excesses as anything but apples and oranges. For one thing, even during the reign of Bush, I didn't see much advocation of violence against him or other members of his government. I also didn't see any sky-is-falling stories about what MIGHT happen, but rather condemnation with solid and thoughtful evidence of what HAS happened. Some of that may have included predictions of further consequences based on what HAS happened, but those predictions were usually thoughtful and based on solid evidence of historical fact. I'm sure there's some prejudice of mine creeping into that assessment, but that's how I see it.
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10-02-2009, 01:00 PM	#4
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	And, as to your "Lets all get along" stance... Bullshyt. I will not stand by silently and let these people spew their hatred and bile. Decent people need to stand up and say "no! Enough!". __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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10-02-2009, 01:30 PM	#8
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Okay, we're done. Talk issues and news, or I start closing threads. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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10-02-2009, 01:44 PM	#10
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Well, obviously I'm not going to be allowed to defend myself, or speak out against what I see as wrong. So, goodbye everyone. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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