Miscellaneous Movie Musings the Sequel - Page 108

Gn2Dlnd · 08-08-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And sure, no R.McD. soundalike, but I did appreciate the riff on the character name.

At first I was

as to what Ronald McDonald had to do with Planet of the Apes.

flippyshark · 08-08-2011, 12:08 PM

By the same token as your comments re: Rise,

Spoiler:

innerSpaceman · 08-08-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flippyshark

By the same token as your comments re: Rise,

Spoiler:

I cannot stomach any of the Apes sequels. Although I enjoyed two of them when they were released ... and when I was 10 years old!

The original still stands up, however, and I was pleased to see the un-edited/jiggered-with "Conquest" ending on the excellent documentary included with the original movie. Yes, much better ending. But still a sucky movie. I'm embarrassed that I liked "Escape" even as a 10-year-old. Never did like "Beneath," and never even saw "Battle for" - for which I am eternally grateful.

Alex · 08-08-2011, 12:19 PM

I know they will, but I would prefer that they not do any sequels further bridging this movie to the first Planet of the Apes movie. This one explained the alpha, that explains the omega. The middle is just needless expository.

Along the same lines

Spoiler:

Some other spoilers with my quibbles about the movie, just to express them (because the movie was entertaining they don't really bother me):

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1. The chimpanzees in general seemed to be too tall. I know Caesar slowly became more erect as the movie went on, but in general they were all way too tall. A full grown adult chimp is about 4 feet tall when standing erect. Caesar was almost as tall as James Franco in a couple scenes.

2. Too many apes? Yes, when the girlfriends visited one of them said something about there being a couple hundred of them, but that is never otherwise indicated.

3. Capacity to learn does not equal knowledge. Capacity for language does not mean you have a language. Yet Caesar was apparently able to convey to the other group of apes "Hey, go to the San Francisco Zoo, these are the directions from San Bruno, break out the apes, and then we'll meet up at the Golden Gate Bridge" very shortly after they found their new found intelligence. Similarly, they all learned combat tactics pretty quickly.

4. Even the unexposed apes got smarter just by being with the exposed apes. The apes escaping from the San Francisco Zoo were seen grabbing spears on their way out of the exhibit.

5. I don't really blame movies for this since it is a necessary reality but over familiarity with Bay Area geography will cause issues. You can't see the Golden Gate Bridge from San Bruno, you can't get a phalanx of mounted police to the middle of the Golden Gate Bridge in 5 minutes, and most of all you can't EVER go to that part of Muir Woods and be alone.

6. Humans never really reacted in a realistic way to the apes regardless of the conditions. Draco decided to take on a chimpanzee in an open space with just a cattle prod? It doesn't take an enriched chimp to imagine him suffering the consequences of that. A mounted police officer charges a gorilla with just his baton? Hikers encounter a six foot gorilla in Muir Woods and their response is "huh, is that a chimp?"

7. It felt a little off that throughout the movie Franco's relationship with Caesar never seemed to cause him even a moment's twinge about the ethics of animal (or at least chimpanzee) testing.

Alex · 08-08-2011, 02:16 PM

I honestly remember nothing of the sequels beyond that they exist. Channel 12 out of Portland, OR, would have theme movie weeks. And an annual (or so) one was the five Apes movies. I know I watched them, but I don't remember them.

Much better remembered is the annual James Garner week, from which comes my undying love for Support Your Local Gunfighter and Support Your Local Sheriff. (Though it wasn't enough to make me like Tank.)

Moonliner · 08-08-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Much better remembered is the annual James Garner week, from which comes my undying love for Support Your Local Gunfighter and Support Your Local Sheriff. (Though it wasn't enough to make me like Tank.)

I'd love to watch "Support your local sheriff" again. So of course, Netflix streaming has "Tank" but not "Support your local sheriff"

*sigh* I'll just have to add it to the queue.

cirquelover · 08-08-2011, 05:37 PM

Visible Alex mojo! Thanks for the memories of the old channel 12.

flippyshark · 08-08-2011, 07:48 PM

I believe Tank was one of those movies that just begged the critics to have a cheap laugh off its prophetic title.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 01:10 PM

Get your stinking paws off me

innerSpaceman · 08-11-2011, 01:07 PM

I gave The King's Speech another chance last night.

Really? THIS won Best Picture? It's a fine movie, but really?!?

I enjoyed it better than my first go-round (where I fell asleep within half an hour), but was not all that impressed with it. Enjoyable though.

HOWEVER, since Netflix must have fallen asleep at the switch and sent me a Real Disc with actual EXTRAS, I rapturously listened to the Director's Commentary - which I usually save for movies I like a whole lot better.

Lo and behold, the commentary was fascinating and I enjoyed it about a thousand times more than the actual movie.

Ugh. #FailedOnceHopefulFilmmaker

Oh, and it was a wonderful treat to see Helena Bonham Carter in a role that didn't require her to act insane!

08-08-2011, 12:08 PM	#2
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	By the same token as your comments re: Rise, Spoiler: The relatively small army of apes at the end of Conquest could not by any means have taken over the country/world either. By the way, I got the Blu-ray set of the Apes films, and it includes the original, much harsher ending to Conquest. It's way better than the last-minute "nice guy" Caesar in the theatrical re-edit. This alone was worth the price of the set.
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08-08-2011, 12:19 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I know they will, but I would prefer that they not do any sequels further bridging this movie to the first Planet of the Apes movie. This one explained the alpha, that explains the omega. The middle is just needless expository. Along the same lines Spoiler: I was just saying to Lani that I liked that they didn't slap the audience in the face explaining that the virus would go on to decimate humanity making room for the apes, when the coda in the credits began to do just that (though not as explicitly as it could have). Some other spoilers with my quibbles about the movie, just to express them (because the movie was entertaining they don't really bother me): Spoiler: 1. The chimpanzees in general seemed to be too tall. I know Caesar slowly became more erect as the movie went on, but in general they were all way too tall. A full grown adult chimp is about 4 feet tall when standing erect. Caesar was almost as tall as James Franco in a couple scenes. 2. Too many apes? Yes, when the girlfriends visited one of them said something about there being a couple hundred of them, but that is never otherwise indicated. 3. Capacity to learn does not equal knowledge. Capacity for language does not mean you have a language. Yet Caesar was apparently able to convey to the other group of apes "Hey, go to the San Francisco Zoo, these are the directions from San Bruno, break out the apes, and then we'll meet up at the Golden Gate Bridge" very shortly after they found their new found intelligence. Similarly, they all learned combat tactics pretty quickly. 4. Even the unexposed apes got smarter just by being with the exposed apes. The apes escaping from the San Francisco Zoo were seen grabbing spears on their way out of the exhibit. 5. I don't really blame movies for this since it is a necessary reality but over familiarity with Bay Area geography will cause issues. You can't see the Golden Gate Bridge from San Bruno, you can't get a phalanx of mounted police to the middle of the Golden Gate Bridge in 5 minutes, and most of all you can't EVER go to that part of Muir Woods and be alone. 6. Humans never really reacted in a realistic way to the apes regardless of the conditions. Draco decided to take on a chimpanzee in an open space with just a cattle prod? It doesn't take an enriched chimp to imagine him suffering the consequences of that. A mounted police officer charges a gorilla with just his baton? Hikers encounter a six foot gorilla in Muir Woods and their response is "huh, is that a chimp?" 7. It felt a little off that throughout the movie Franco's relationship with Caesar never seemed to cause him even a moment's twinge about the ethics of animal (or at least chimpanzee) testing.
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08-08-2011, 02:16 PM	#5
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I honestly remember nothing of the sequels beyond that they exist. Channel 12 out of Portland, OR, would have theme movie weeks. And an annual (or so) one was the five Apes movies. I know I watched them, but I don't remember them. Much better remembered is the annual James Garner week, from which comes my undying love for Support Your Local Gunfighter and Support Your Local Sheriff. (Though it wasn't enough to make me like Tank.)
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08-08-2011, 05:37 PM	#7
cirquelover Cruising around in my automobile... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,617	Visible Alex mojo! Thanks for the memories of the old channel 12. __________________ Waiting for Summer to arrive!
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08-08-2011, 07:48 PM	#8
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	I believe Tank was one of those movies that just begged the critics to have a cheap laugh off its prophetic title. Last edited by flippyshark : 08-08-2011 at 07:48 PM. Reason: bad spelling
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08-10-2011, 01:10 PM	#9
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Get your stinking paws off me __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-11-2011, 01:07 PM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I gave The King's Speech another chance last night. Really? THIS won Best Picture? It's a fine movie, but really?!? I enjoyed it better than my first go-round (where I fell asleep within half an hour), but was not all that impressed with it. Enjoyable though. HOWEVER, since Netflix must have fallen asleep at the switch and sent me a Real Disc with actual EXTRAS, I rapturously listened to the Director's Commentary - which I usually save for movies I like a whole lot better. Lo and behold, the commentary was fascinating and I enjoyed it about a thousand times more than the actual movie. Ugh. #FailedOnceHopefulFilmmaker Oh, and it was a wonderful treat to see Helena Bonham Carter in a role that didn't require her to act insane!
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