Public people, private lives, and Tiger Woods - Page 3

Strangler Lewis · 12-02-2009, 12:33 PM

I wonder if Tiger could have gotten her out of a vehicle with his driver. I think he might have pulled it.

I now have this vision of the family using golf clubs for all manner of difficult household chores.

As to caring or not, it doesn't detract from my regard of him as a sportsman. However, unlike, say, PacMan Jones, he is paid lots of money to endorse things based on his image. Anytime someone, be it politician or athlete or evangelist, dines out on a wholesome image and that image is tarnished, it is certainly a phenomenon worth noting and, perhaps, chuckling at.

Alex · 12-02-2009, 12:38 PM

True, his various employers definitely have reason to care (if not about the events themselves then the reaction of the buying public).

But people who are buying non-golf stuff simply because Tiger Woods is attached (while I never have, there are certainly cases where I am more aware of a product because of his face) to it, well I'd say they deserve to be disappointed.

SacTown Chronic · 12-02-2009, 12:58 PM

From golf . com:

Quote:

Tiger earned $100 million last year. $7.7 million on the course -- and approximately $92 million off it.

From Tiger's press release today:

Quote:

Although I am a well-known person and have made my career as a professional athlete, I have been dismayed to realize the full extent of what tabloid scrutiny really means.

Translation:

People should only pay attention to me when I want to sell them something using my carefully crafted image. Or when I'm winning tournaments. Or when I'm giving interviews. Or when I talk about the wonderful psychic connection I had with my Pops. Or when I release photo spreads taken with my family. Other than that, please respect my privacy. Let me have my cake and eat it too. Wah!

Deebs · 12-02-2009, 01:20 PM

I grew up around the game of golf. My dad started teaching me to drive using a golf cart. I was always told that the sportsmanship and good grace (or lack of) shown on the course says more about a person than how they play the game. It's all about honor and integrity. In professional golf, with all the cameras and officials watching the tourneys, I suppose cheating isn't too tempting. But the game really is steeped in tradition, and honesty is a big part of it. Cheating on your partner and cheating on the course are separate issues. Right?

Stan4dSteph · 12-02-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Translation:

People should only pay attention to me when I want to sell them something using my carefully crafted image. Or when I'm winning tournaments. Or when I'm giving interviews. Or when I talk about the wonderful psychic connection I had with my Pops. Or when I release photo spreads taken with my family. Other than that, please respect my privacy. Let me have my cake and eat it too. Wah!

Yeah! We should be able to see every minute of his life, just like every other celebrity. We should be able to just stick cameras inside their houses and whatnot.

Seriously, that is the most simplistic statement.

SacTown Chronic · 12-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

Yeah! We should be able to see every minute of his life, just like every other celebrity. We should be able to just stick cameras inside their houses and whatnot.

Seriously, that is the most simplistic statement.

I've said nothing of the sort. Personally I don't give two sh*ts for the cult of celebrity culture we live in these days. I don't think we have a right to know what goes on in Tiger's private life. And frankly, I don't want to know. But if Tiger thinks he can earn millions of dollars by doing nothing (my opinion of celebrity endorsements) with no strings attached, he's a fool.

And if I've learned anything from watching Tiger Woods, it's that he's no fool. Which, in my estimation, means he's trying to play the victim with regards to all the negative attention he's receiving. He damn well knows the score - and always has -, but suddenly he doesn't like it.

And seriously, my simplistic statement was simplistic on purpose...it was me being Tiger being a whiny baby. Simplified for effect. See? Simple.

scaeagles · 12-02-2009, 02:00 PM

I happen to agree with Sac here to an extent.

When so much of what makes you popular is your carefully crafted image, and you make 92% of your income off of it, I think whether he is really as he appears to be is of interest to the public in general. You can't make a living off your image and try to hide whenever what comes out doesn't fit in with that image.

Alex · 12-02-2009, 02:22 PM

I agree in this way:

Once you put yourself out there as a public figure you have to expect you're going to lose control of your privacy and that the demands of the public to invade that privacy don't really know any bounds.

That, of course, is not the same thing as saying we have a right to know about his infidelities or that our collective demand to know is reasonable or appropriate. Or that he has an obligation to abandon any attempt to maintain his privacy.

That said, Michael Jordan was quite the philanderer. It doesn't seem to have damaged his spokesperson career to any great extent.

Strangler Lewis · 12-02-2009, 03:15 PM

I submit that Tiger has traded on his power and celebrity to put the kabosh on a police investigation.

The exchange:

Suspect's wife: "I'm sorry. He's sleeping."
Police: "Oh, okay. We'll come back."

is one I have yet to see in court transcripts.

Alex · 12-02-2009, 03:24 PM

I don't know that is so much flexing power and celebrity since there is no legal obligation to talk to the police just because they come to your door asking to talk.

To the extent that power is involved I suspect it is the knowledge that there is a lawyer on the other side of the door more than happy to remind the police that nobody has any such obligation. So you might as well go away politely and try again later.

12-02-2009, 12:33 PM	#1
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I wonder if Tiger could have gotten her out of a vehicle with his driver. I think he might have pulled it. I now have this vision of the family using golf clubs for all manner of difficult household chores. As to caring or not, it doesn't detract from my regard of him as a sportsman. However, unlike, say, PacMan Jones, he is paid lots of money to endorse things based on his image. Anytime someone, be it politician or athlete or evangelist, dines out on a wholesome image and that image is tarnished, it is certainly a phenomenon worth noting and, perhaps, chuckling at. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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12-02-2009, 12:38 PM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	True, his various employers definitely have reason to care (if not about the events themselves then the reaction of the buying public). But people who are buying non-golf stuff simply because Tiger Woods is attached (while I never have, there are certainly cases where I am more aware of a product because of his face) to it, well I'd say they deserve to be disappointed.
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12-02-2009, 01:20 PM	#4
Deebs ... Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 961	I grew up around the game of golf. My dad started teaching me to drive using a golf cart. I was always told that the sportsmanship and good grace (or lack of) shown on the course says more about a person than how they play the game. It's all about honor and integrity. In professional golf, with all the cameras and officials watching the tourneys, I suppose cheating isn't too tempting. But the game really is steeped in tradition, and honesty is a big part of it. Cheating on your partner and cheating on the course are separate issues. Right?
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12-02-2009, 02:00 PM	#7
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I happen to agree with Sac here to an extent. When so much of what makes you popular is your carefully crafted image, and you make 92% of your income off of it, I think whether he is really as he appears to be is of interest to the public in general. You can't make a living off your image and try to hide whenever what comes out doesn't fit in with that image.
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12-02-2009, 02:22 PM	#8
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I agree in this way: Once you put yourself out there as a public figure you have to expect you're going to lose control of your privacy and that the demands of the public to invade that privacy don't really know any bounds. That, of course, is not the same thing as saying we have a right to know about his infidelities or that our collective demand to know is reasonable or appropriate. Or that he has an obligation to abandon any attempt to maintain his privacy. That said, Michael Jordan was quite the philanderer. It doesn't seem to have damaged his spokesperson career to any great extent.
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12-02-2009, 03:15 PM	#9
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I submit that Tiger has traded on his power and celebrity to put the kabosh on a police investigation. The exchange: Suspect's wife: "I'm sorry. He's sleeping." Police: "Oh, okay. We'll come back." is one I have yet to see in court transcripts. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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12-02-2009, 03:24 PM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't know that is so much flexing power and celebrity since there is no legal obligation to talk to the police just because they come to your door asking to talk. To the extent that power is involved I suspect it is the knowledge that there is a lawyer on the other side of the door more than happy to remind the police that nobody has any such obligation. So you might as well go away politely and try again later.
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