I have my bib on, Mr. President...

[Scrooge McSam]

I'm just going to take on 2 points here, as a full rebuttal could take all night (not to mention that Daddy has to make sure not to get his pressure up).

Originally Posted by scaeagles

We know he had them and used them before, and we have no evidence of their destruction.

Not so fast! Ever heard of Hussein Kamel?

Hussein Kamel, son-in-law of Saddam Hussein, defected to the US in 1995. Is this ringing a bell?

Kamel was widely praised after his defection for providing the US with evidence of weapons Saddam possessed that the US had no knowledge of. Great guy, that Kamel.

Until... he told us that the WMD we sought had been destroyed, on his order, back in 1991 to keep weapons inspectors from finding them. The chicken hawks didn't want to listen to him then. He conflicted with their carefully constructed rationale for invasion.

General Saati, of the Iraqi army backs up everything Kamel said, but since we've had him in solitary confinement, we're not able to hear too much from him lately.

So that's two highly placed members of Saddam's government saying in no uncertain terms that the weapons we sought had been destroyed, not to mention our utter failure to find any, all the while professing that we know right where they are.

You have evidence. You just don't choose to believe it.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

The large portion of the media and many prominent dems told us that we'd never be able to turn over sovereignty to the Iraqis by the deadline of June 30, 2004, but it happened earlier than that.

Sovereignty

To borrow a line from the Princess Bride - "You keep using that word and I do not think you know what it means"

[SacTown Chronic]

Jihadist

[SacTown Chronic]

Doing his level best to tie Iraq to 9/11.


Liar.

[SacTown Chronic]

Complete the mission!

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

The media doesn't bother to inform us that after the end of "hostilities" in WWII in Germany it took about 2.5 years for the insurgency of Hitler supporters to be controlled.

Please, don't ever, don't ever compare this war favorably with WWII.

It didn't start the same way. It didn't end the same way. It wasn't fought the same way. And we were doing it with the support of many, many other allies.

We may have removed the dictator, but the circumstances surrounding all of it makes it quite a different situation.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

While Sac certainly shows very real inconsistencies in what has been said by various members of the administration and the President, and a change in tune on WMD, I will again point out that Jordanian, British, Egyptian, and Russian intelligence services also said they had WMD, as did Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, blah, blah, blah.

Would that be "the intelligence and facts [that] were being fixed around the policy"? When reports of tubes that could be used for nuclear warheads (in the same way a potato could be used as a cannon ball) turns into press conferences declaring definitive proof of WMD, I have a hard time believing that these supposed corroburating intelligence reports from around the world had much stronger evidence. Bush wanted a war, and he went and made sure every report was interpereted in a way that would support that war, even if it meant taking "could"s, "maybe"s, tenuous links and longshots and turning them into absolutes.