Toy Story 3

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

I could work myself into a lather comparable to my lather about Cars in that Toy Story 3 seems to imply that unless you have the perfect, creative job, your life is unfulfilled.

How so? Not sure I quite understand that. I didn't get that feeling at all. Unless you equate their imprisonment and lack of a choice as a lack of satisfaction in their "work".

Woody clearly placed his loyalty to Andy above being played with on a daily basis (prior to understanding that the Sunnyside was far from how originally portrayed), meaning he chose relationship above what looked like an idyllic life. Buzz was all about loyalty to his companions and sticking together no matter what. It is true that many of the characters wanted that perfect job, but it wasn't an imperfect job, it was torture.

I could spend a long time going through motivations of the characters and various plot points, which would serve no purpose, but I really am curious as to what it was that made you see it that way.

[innerSpaceman]

I'm not sure what you mean by "contrived." It was the entire plot of the movie.

It's like saying that whole search for ancient artifacts crap was contrived in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The daycare situation is what the movies was ABOUT (plotwise). You may not have liked it, but all screenplays are contrived in this way.

So, if you were trying to construct a paradise-turned-sour, prison-break movie with a cast of TOYS, where exactly would you set it?

[Gemini Cricket]

Speaking of Sid, did anyone notice that he was the garbage man? From what I remember, it was a quick shot. The moral, of course, is that if you're bad as a kid you will become a garbage man.

[Strangler Lewis]

The problem was that the problem was not worth caring about. And the fact that the problem was maintained by characters branded as evil did not make the problem any less trivial.

[innerSpaceman]

oooookay. I don't know how weighty of a situation you were hoping for in a Toy Story movie, insofar as its plot.


Meanwhile, it had the most adult and weighty themes of any film this year - - or this decade, perhaps.



Enough from me. Unless you're just trying to give me a taste of my own medicine, I simply don't grok your point of view.

[Strangler Lewis]

And I should know better not to argue with religious fanatics who come to my door bearing press releases and saying, "Have you heard the good news of the latest Pixar miracle?"

[Gemini Cricket]

I guess I didn't delve too deeply in the whole philosophical aspects of TS3. I was all like, 'Hey, look! Ha ha. A talking pink bear!'

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I guess I didn't delve too deeply in the whole philosophical aspects of TS3. I was all like, 'Hey, look! Ha ha. A talking pink bear!'

Taking a cartoon at face value is so....so...shallow. I spend a great deal of time analyzing the deeper meaning of Sponge Bob and the Penguins of Madagascar (King Julien has issues, I tell you, and Mort is incredibly complex in his motivations).

[Gemini Cricket]

I'd totally live in a giant pineapple.

[Strangler Lewis]

If they were going to depict the idea of torture, setting up a world in which torture=being played with by unimaginative two-year-olds and not-torture=being played with by imaginative three-year-olds, they did not do a good job in setting up the dramatic conflict. I kept thinking, "suck it up, toys."

That this assignment was eminently suckupable is borne out by the concluding montage in which all the remaining toys share the load of playing with the smaller children.

As to the point about Bonnie, was she truly the only not-Andy who deserved to inherit all the toys? Giving Woody to her might have been a nice moment. Giving her the whole box seemed indulgent.