MLB '11 - Page 21

Ghoulish Delight · 11-23-2011, 12:13 PM

Sigh. In September I said this on a friend's Google+ post about the NL MVP

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I just can't shake this nagging fear that they're not going to want to give BOTH the Cy Young and MVP to the Dodgers. Kershaw's going to win the Cy Young. He's got the triple crown, that makes him a lock. The voters would seriously lose legitimacy if they don't give it to him now. But since Kemp won't have the triple crown, that gives them the opening to look elsewhere, and I just wouldn't be at all surprised if the voters are petty enough to not want to reward the Dodgers like that at this point. Between a ****ty season, ****ty attendance, and a ****ty owner, I can definitely see there being enough people who think it's bad for baseball to give the double-win honor to the Dodgers this season.

Sometimes I hate being right.

Ghoulish Delight · 11-23-2011, 03:18 PM

On that subject, we had a discussion earlier about the role of a team's status as a playoff contender in Cy Young voting, but what about MVP?

I actually lean towards agreeing that being on a contending team should carry some weight. Sure, a contending team tends to have better players, meaning their contribution to the team my not be as "valuable", and I understand the whole "protection" argument (Bruan's going to get more balls to hit because the pitcher is loathe to walk him and have Prince Filder come up with a man on). But on the flip side, when the next best RBI total on the Dodgers after Matt Kemp was half of Kemp's total, I don't think pitchers are spending too much time worrying about pitching around Kemp. Even with his amazing numbers, he averaged less than 1 RBI per game. So when no one else is a threat to produce a run, who cares if he's making contact? So you give up a run to him every couple games, big deal.

And then there's the whole pressure/meaningfulness factor. Would Kemp have attempted as many stolen bases had an out here or there meant the difference between playoffs and an early autumn vacation? Would he have been uppercutting as many swings to get homeruns if games actually mattered? Would he have kept his numbers up under the pressure of a late season playoff battle? Those are pretty important what-ifs. It's "easy" to put up big numbers when you're just messing around, with your only goal really being to put up big numbers and nothing else on the line.

Kinda contradicts my thoughts on the Cy Young side (though my earlier comments were kinda facetious really). But I feel like it's a little different. Pitchers really do seem to live more in-the-moment, with individual games being more important than the overall picture. Obviously there's added pressure in must-win situations, but since they can't go out and fail 60% of the time and be considered great, then I have an easier time saying that a pitcher who pitches well through the season on an overall crappy team deserves the same consideration as one on a great team.

Ghoulish Delight · 11-30-2011, 11:12 AM

PLEASE not Dennis Gilbert.

Please.

Motorboat Cruiser · 11-30-2011, 01:43 PM

^ What have you heard?

Ghoulish Delight · 11-30-2011, 02:24 PM

Only what the news is reporting. That he's interested and apparently Larry King has joined as a minority investor.

Kevy Baby · 12-02-2011, 02:05 PM

Now Magic Johnson wants the Dodgers? Oy vey

Ghoulish Delight · 12-02-2011, 02:09 PM

He's not my first choice, but I'd be happier with him than a Dennis Gilbert. By a long shot.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-05-2011, 08:36 PM

Hairston and Harang. I like both of those (assuming Harang happens). So the off season isn't a total loss.

Moonliner · 12-08-2011, 09:23 AM

Pujols is heading for L.A.

I'll never get used to calling the Angels an "LA" team.

BarTopDancer · 12-08-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I'll never get used to calling the Angels an "LA" team.

Don't. Because as long as they are in Anaheim they are NOT an LA team.

Yes, that is all I have to contribute to this discussion. I have no idea who Pujols is.

11-23-2011, 03:18 PM	#2
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	On that subject, we had a discussion earlier about the role of a team's status as a playoff contender in Cy Young voting, but what about MVP? I actually lean towards agreeing that being on a contending team should carry some weight. Sure, a contending team tends to have better players, meaning their contribution to the team my not be as "valuable", and I understand the whole "protection" argument (Bruan's going to get more balls to hit because the pitcher is loathe to walk him and have Prince Filder come up with a man on). But on the flip side, when the next best RBI total on the Dodgers after Matt Kemp was half of Kemp's total, I don't think pitchers are spending too much time worrying about pitching around Kemp. Even with his amazing numbers, he averaged less than 1 RBI per game. So when no one else is a threat to produce a run, who cares if he's making contact? So you give up a run to him every couple games, big deal. And then there's the whole pressure/meaningfulness factor. Would Kemp have attempted as many stolen bases had an out here or there meant the difference between playoffs and an early autumn vacation? Would he have been uppercutting as many swings to get homeruns if games actually mattered? Would he have kept his numbers up under the pressure of a late season playoff battle? Those are pretty important what-ifs. It's "easy" to put up big numbers when you're just messing around, with your only goal really being to put up big numbers and nothing else on the line. Kinda contradicts my thoughts on the Cy Young side (though my earlier comments were kinda facetious really). But I feel like it's a little different. Pitchers really do seem to live more in-the-moment, with individual games being more important than the overall picture. Obviously there's added pressure in must-win situations, but since they can't go out and fail 60% of the time and be considered great, then I have an easier time saying that a pitcher who pitches well through the season on an overall crappy team deserves the same consideration as one on a great team. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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11-30-2011, 11:12 AM	#3
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	PLEASE not Dennis Gilbert. Please. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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11-30-2011, 01:43 PM	#4
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	^ What have you heard?
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Only what the news is reporting. That he's interested and apparently Larry King has joined as a minority investor. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	Now Magic Johnson wants the Dodgers? Oy vey __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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12-02-2011, 02:09 PM	#7
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	He's not my first choice, but I'd be happier with him than a Dennis Gilbert. By a long shot. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-05-2011, 08:36 PM	#8
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Hairston and Harang. I like both of those (assuming Harang happens). So the off season isn't a total loss. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-08-2011, 09:23 AM	#9
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Pujols is heading for L.A. I'll never get used to calling the Angels an "LA" team. __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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