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innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 09:42 AM

Nowhere did I say a computer had to let me edit movies. I said that's what I personally plan to do with one.

Perhaps an iPhone is a technically a computer. But it's one that doesn't meet my needs; the needs that other computers do. What shall we call it then? A deficient computer?

Fine. The iPad is a deficient computer. And as soon as it becomes non-deficient and can do everything my desktop and Joe's laptop can do, I'll buy one.

Does that get around your snarky semantics?

Moonliner · 08-03-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Nowhere did I say a computer had to let me edit movies. I said that's what I personally plan to do with one.

Perhaps an iPhone is a technically a computer. But it's one that doesn't meet my needs; the needs that other computers do. What shall we call it then? A deficient computer?

Fine. The iPad is a deficient computer. And as soon as it becomes non-deficient and can do everything my desktop and Joe's laptop can do, I'll buy one.

Does that get around your snarky semantics?

The iPhone does have a vibrate mode.

Alex · 08-03-2011, 10:03 AM

Not really (you defined a "REAL COMPUTER" as one that can run the software you run on your laptop, and then specified that most importantly this is video and sound editing software, making me wonder how many computers you owned before you owned a "REAL COMPUTER"). But it does bring you around to my point. So I can live with that.

Not Afraid · 08-03-2011, 10:42 AM

I laugh when I realize my iPhone has MUCH more power and capabilities then my first 4 or 5 computers.

And, Steve, they make portable versions of computers these days. Laptops will do everything you want and are really not much bigger than a tablet (they just have 2 sides, open and close and come with a case.

Morrigoon · 08-03-2011, 10:52 AM

They also make ones where the screen flips around and turns into a tablet. They just tend to suck.

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 11:28 AM

Laptops have always been a bit too klunky for me. I don't really NEED portability; it's just something I think is groovy. So I'm waiting for a tablet that doesn't suck and that's a computer, and not just a big iPhone with no phone.

I really don't understand Alex's deal here. I never said that a computer must run MY software to be a "real" computer; only that it must be able to run the same software that any desktop or laptop computer is or was able to, whether that's now or 1993 or any year in between. As far as I know, the iPad can't do that. It's limited to whatever "Apps" are out there, and that's not the same thing.

I think iPads are sexay and i wants one. I just have to figure out what I would actually do with one. If it were a computer, I'd get one. And if laptops were half as sexay as an iPad, I'd get one of those instead.

My home computer is 6 years old, which makes it pretty obsolete (though not to me) and more likely than not to die within the next year or so. I'd like to transition to portable, since that's been the worldwide trend. But I don't want to give up any of my current computing power or capabilities.

In fact, I'd like to transition from PC to Mac - and since you can run Windows on a Mac, that might ease the transition - since I could use all my current software until I found suitable Mac equivalents. None of this is possible on the iPad - yet. So I'm still waiting. But if my PC dies before the perfect iPad is born, I'm likely to get a cool Mac computer.

No hurry, though. $$$$ and all that.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-03-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I really don't understand Alex's deal here. I never said that a computer must run MY software to be a "real" computer; only that it must be able to run the same software that any desktop or laptop computer is or was able to, whether that's now or 1993 or any year in between. As far as I know, the iPad can't do that. It's limited to whatever "Apps" are out there, and that's not the same thing.

So a "Real computer" is defined as "A computer that runs one particular operating system"? Because, the word "apps" not withstanding, that's all you're talking about. No, iPhone can't run Windows applications. It can't run Mac applications. But neither can a computer running Linux. It runs applications ("apps") that are written to run on the operating system it runs.

Apps are programs too.

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 04:00 PM

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It runs applications ("apps") that are written to run on the operating system it runs.

And maybe that's the crux of it. Who's going to design complex software to run on a cellphone? No market for that. This might change with the iPad, and more complex software like that iMovie might become more common. (I note from the video that you can run iMovie from your iPhone, but pulease.)

The truth is, I don't think there's much market for complex software specific to devices that are portable. Laptops worked like "real computers" because they ran the same operating system as desktops. My problem, so far, with the iPad is that it doesn't. I'm not sure what the logic is in not having this Apple computer product run on the same OS as Macs and thus be able to perform like a Mac - unless it's to sell people on iPads AND Macs.

Not Afraid · 08-03-2011, 03:25 PM

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Laptops have always been a bit too klunky for me. I don't really NEED portability; it's just something I think is groovy.

So, get a laptop and buy this cover for it.

Really, the MacBooks aren't very clunky. I have a 17" Pro and it's very portable.

€uroMeinke · 08-03-2011, 12:21 PM

I'm reminded of ISM's opposition to the iPhone as an impractical device he would never want to own for lack of keyboard. I suspect at some point he'll succumb to his represed techno-lust, acquire an iPad and declare it the perfect tool for his needs.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Nowhere did I say a computer had to let me edit movies. I said that's what I personally plan to do with one. Perhaps an iPhone is a technically a computer. But it's one that doesn't meet my needs; the needs that other computers do. What shall we call it then? A deficient computer? Fine. The iPad is a deficient computer. And as soon as it becomes non-deficient and can do everything my desktop and Joe's laptop can do, I'll buy one. Does that get around your snarky semantics?
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Not really (you defined a "REAL COMPUTER" as one that can run the software you run on your laptop, and then specified that most importantly this is video and sound editing software, making me wonder how many computers you owned before you owned a "REAL COMPUTER"). But it does bring you around to my point. So I can live with that.
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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I laugh when I realize my iPhone has MUCH more power and capabilities then my first 4 or 5 computers. And, Steve, they make portable versions of computers these days. Laptops will do everything you want and are really not much bigger than a tablet (they just have 2 sides, open and close and come with a case.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Laptops have always been a bit too klunky for me. I don't really NEED portability; it's just something I think is groovy. So I'm waiting for a tablet that doesn't suck and that's a computer, and not just a big iPhone with no phone. I really don't understand Alex's deal here. I never said that a computer must run MY software to be a "real" computer; only that it must be able to run the same software that any desktop or laptop computer is or was able to, whether that's now or 1993 or any year in between. As far as I know, the iPad can't do that. It's limited to whatever "Apps" are out there, and that's not the same thing. I think iPads are sexay and i wants one. I just have to figure out what I would actually do with one. If it were a computer, I'd get one. And if laptops were half as sexay as an iPad, I'd get one of those instead. My home computer is 6 years old, which makes it pretty obsolete (though not to me) and more likely than not to die within the next year or so. I'd like to transition to portable, since that's been the worldwide trend. But I don't want to give up any of my current computing power or capabilities. In fact, I'd like to transition from PC to Mac - and since you can run Windows on a Mac, that might ease the transition - since I could use all my current software until I found suitable Mac equivalents. None of this is possible on the iPad - yet. So I'm still waiting. But if my PC dies before the perfect iPad is born, I'm likely to get a cool Mac computer. No hurry, though. $$$$ and all that.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I'm reminded of ISM's opposition to the iPhone as an impractical device he would never want to own for lack of keyboard. I suspect at some point he'll succumb to his represed techno-lust, acquire an iPad and declare it the perfect tool for his needs. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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