Borders Going Bye Bye - Page 8

Morrigoon · 08-03-2011, 12:59 PM

"Apps are programs too" ... Sounds like a great slogan for an anti-protest sign

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 03:57 PM

Apps are programs, too. Very simplistic, retarded programs. That iMovie thing mousepad linked to is the first thing I've ever seen in "App" form that is actually like a complex piece of software.

Of course, I'll admit to not being an App junkie. So maybe I'm missing some that are full-fledged programmed software. Though I note that most "real" software costs between $100 and $4,000, while most Apps run between $0 and $1.

I'm a strong believer in You Get What You Pay For.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-03-2011, 04:47 PM

Or their market research says that most people aren't interested in doing the kinds of intensive work the require intensive computing power on the go.

The reality is, a portable device will NEVER have the same computing power as a non portable device. By definition. They don't have the same OS because the standard Mac OS is designed to take advantage of the vastly larger resources available to it on a desktop machine. Any version of a Mac OS that runs on a tablet/phone would have to be sold as a knackered version of a Mac OS. Much better to give a quality version of a mobile OS than a dumbed-down version of a desktop OS. Sacrifices are made for size. So there will always be more powerful, more featureul, more capable options on a desktop/laptop platform than a truly mobile platform. Who the fvck wants to do detailed Photoshop work on a 7 inch screen anyway? That sounds like torture, no matter how much processing power is behind that screen.

Tablets and phones are for on-the-go tasks. Games to pass time, minor productivity stuff, idle entertainment, and constant connectivity. They are NOT for serious desktop productivity.

What you're saying is like saying, "I'll buy a Vespa when it's a REAL car, that can go highway speeds, protect me in a head on collision, and help me transport the contents of someone's dorm room." It's never going to happen because the platform is not intended for those uses.

If you don't want something small, light, and mobile that does small, light, and mobile things, then fine. But that's simply a mismatch of desired use, not a product failing.

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 05:22 PM

Ok, so I don't own a laptop and never have. Are you saying, then, that laptops have been unable to do what desktops can do? I was under the impression they were merely smaller computers with pretty much the same capabilities as an averagely-powerful desktop computer.

I've known people to do ALL their work on laptops, so the notion that people don't do intensive work on-the-go is belied by the millions of people who operate exclusively on portable computers. I'm sure market research says consumers are not interested in such things - but business people have been so interested for decades, and I'm sure their laptops operate on par with most desktops.

So with that assumption in head, I also think of tablets as the next version of laptops. Perhaps they are not that powerful today, but when might they be?

Ghoulish Delight · 08-03-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I've known people to do ALL their work on laptops, so the notion that people don't do intensive work on-the-go is belied by the millions of people who operate exclusively on portable computers. I'm sure market research says consumers are not interested in such things - but business people have been so interested for decades, and I'm sure their laptops operate on par with most desktops.

They are less capable. Not much less anymore, but less.

Going back to the vespa analogy, Desktop::Laptop::Tablet as Full size car::SubCompact car::Scooter. The first leap is one of scale. The second leap is one of substance. There is simply less in common between what people want to do with a scooter vs. a car (small or large) than between what people want to do with a small car vs. a larger car.

lindyhop · 08-04-2011, 08:16 PM

You want an 11" MacBook Air. Really, you do. Or is that me?

Alex · 08-03-2011, 05:28 PM

As a general rule a current model laptap will be underpowered compared to current model desktops.

Yes, people do all their work on laptops. My only machine at work is a laptop (which most of the time is plugged in to a regular keyboard, regular mouse, and a 21" monitor).

Tablet computers will eventually be as computationally powerful as current desktops and laptops (and for the most part are already technically capable of doing almost everything that most people use current desktops and laptops for). But the point is that they are in a form factor where very few people will actually WANT them to do that.

You can get some version of pretty much all the productivity software for iPad. You can edit movies, you can create presentations, you can use spreadsheets, you can edit sound, you can do Photoshop stuff. It's just that generally people don't want to do that for any length of time on a 7" screen.

alphabassettgrrl · 08-03-2011, 06:11 PM

I'm considering a tablet, in part as a mobile photo album. And maybe some light 'net surfing. It's a toy, and I'm pretty clear about that. I'm not gone very much, so I usually have my home laptop to do whatever I need. So I haven't been able to justify it.

My coworkers tease me, tell me once I get one I won't be able to live without it. I don't honestly want to make that kind of switch, but I can see it being a fun toy. Once in a while I could use some internetting while on the go.

Kevy Baby · 08-03-2011, 06:14 PM

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innerSpaceman · 08-03-2011, 10:32 PM

I guess I'm just trying to justify a gadget I'd really like to have for no good reason.

Even now, I don't do much iPhoning on the go. If someone else is with me, I have them do the imdb-ing, the mapping, the restaurant-finding, etc. (Part of that is, now that they've invented the iPhone, eye don't have the i's for it. The bigger iPad screen would work so much better for me, but it just won't fit in the pocket of my tight jeans.)

I'm rarely alone and outside of work or home, where I might want to amuse myself or do something useful with a portable computer/internet accesser. I kill maybe 10 minutes a day aggregate on facebook or twitter on the go, and that's the extent of it. The iPhone is perfect for that. I already have one.

But, damn, I want an iPad. Don't have a single use for it, but want it. That, my friends, is marketing success!

08-03-2011, 12:59 PM	#1
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08-03-2011, 03:57 PM	#2
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Apps are programs, too. Very simplistic, retarded programs. That iMovie thing mousepad linked to is the first thing I've ever seen in "App" form that is actually like a complex piece of software. Of course, I'll admit to not being an App junkie. So maybe I'm missing some that are full-fledged programmed software. Though I note that most "real" software costs between $100 and $4,000, while most Apps run between $0 and $1. I'm a strong believer in You Get What You Pay For.
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08-03-2011, 04:47 PM	#3
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Or their market research says that most people aren't interested in doing the kinds of intensive work the require intensive computing power on the go. The reality is, a portable device will NEVER have the same computing power as a non portable device. By definition. They don't have the same OS because the standard Mac OS is designed to take advantage of the vastly larger resources available to it on a desktop machine. Any version of a Mac OS that runs on a tablet/phone would have to be sold as a knackered version of a Mac OS. Much better to give a quality version of a mobile OS than a dumbed-down version of a desktop OS. Sacrifices are made for size. So there will always be more powerful, more featureul, more capable options on a desktop/laptop platform than a truly mobile platform. Who the fvck wants to do detailed Photoshop work on a 7 inch screen anyway? That sounds like torture, no matter how much processing power is behind that screen. Tablets and phones are for on-the-go tasks. Games to pass time, minor productivity stuff, idle entertainment, and constant connectivity. They are NOT for serious desktop productivity. What you're saying is like saying, "I'll buy a Vespa when it's a REAL car, that can go highway speeds, protect me in a head on collision, and help me transport the contents of someone's dorm room." It's never going to happen because the platform is not intended for those uses. If you don't want something small, light, and mobile that does small, light, and mobile things, then fine. But that's simply a mismatch of desired use, not a product failing. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-03-2011, 05:22 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Ok, so I don't own a laptop and never have. Are you saying, then, that laptops have been unable to do what desktops can do? I was under the impression they were merely smaller computers with pretty much the same capabilities as an averagely-powerful desktop computer. I've known people to do ALL their work on laptops, so the notion that people don't do intensive work on-the-go is belied by the millions of people who operate exclusively on portable computers. I'm sure market research says consumers are not interested in such things - but business people have been so interested for decades, and I'm sure their laptops operate on par with most desktops. So with that assumption in head, I also think of tablets as the next version of laptops. Perhaps they are not that powerful today, but when might they be?
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08-04-2011, 08:16 PM	#6
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08-03-2011, 05:28 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	As a general rule a current model laptap will be underpowered compared to current model desktops. Yes, people do all their work on laptops. My only machine at work is a laptop (which most of the time is plugged in to a regular keyboard, regular mouse, and a 21" monitor). Tablet computers will eventually be as computationally powerful as current desktops and laptops (and for the most part are already technically capable of doing almost everything that most people use current desktops and laptops for). But the point is that they are in a form factor where very few people will actually WANT them to do that. You can get some version of pretty much all the productivity software for iPad. You can edit movies, you can create presentations, you can use spreadsheets, you can edit sound, you can do Photoshop stuff. It's just that generally people don't want to do that for any length of time on a 7" screen.
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08-03-2011, 06:11 PM	#8
alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I'm considering a tablet, in part as a mobile photo album. And maybe some light 'net surfing. It's a toy, and I'm pretty clear about that. I'm not gone very much, so I usually have my home laptop to do whatever I need. So I haven't been able to justify it. My coworkers tease me, tell me once I get one I won't be able to live without it. I don't honestly want to make that kind of switch, but I can see it being a fun toy. Once in a while I could use some internetting while on the go. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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08-03-2011, 10:32 PM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I guess I'm just trying to justify a gadget I'd really like to have for no good reason. Even now, I don't do much iPhoning on the go. If someone else is with me, I have them do the imdb-ing, the mapping, the restaurant-finding, etc. (Part of that is, now that they've invented the iPhone, eye don't have the i's for it. The bigger iPad screen would work so much better for me, but it just won't fit in the pocket of my tight jeans.) I'm rarely alone and outside of work or home, where I might want to amuse myself or do something useful with a portable computer/internet accesser. I kill maybe 10 minutes a day aggregate on facebook or twitter on the go, and that's the extent of it. The iPhone is perfect for that. I already have one. But, damn, I want an iPad. Don't have a single use for it, but want it. That, my friends, is marketing success!
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