The 2016 Election

[Ghoulish Delight]

As for the nonsense that Obama has been ruining our economy for 8 years (and by extension that Hillary Clinton will continue to...becaues Bill, or something):

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/15/gradi...e-numbers.html


At WORST it's stagnant, but the overall picture is an IMPROVED economy since he took office at a point where the economy was in the tank and headed downward. Yes, there's some mixed stuff in there, and not everything he did was perfect - but this picture you paint of Obama steering us into the rocks is absolutely nonsense and unsupported by the facts.

[scaeagles]

It's not simply policy. I am not blinded to Trump's moral failings, and I am not blinded to Clinton's moral failings either. So with two horribly flawed candidates, as I think we can all agree to, we will each choose the one we view as closer to adopting the policies we might like to see in our country.

I'm not looking to turn this into a debate over Obama, because we will never come to an agreement, but I do certainly respect the article you posted.

Hillary's gross dishonesty is a complete disqualifier for her to be given the Presidency. Her mishandling of classified information and lying about it should disqualify her from even possessing a security clearance. I don't believe Hillary is a racist, but she has certainly said things that should Trump (or any Republican) have said them would be front page news along with the other things he has said (I don't believe Trump is a racist either). Super-predators, joking about Ghandi owning a gas station, has said she is against illegal immigration and voted for a wall (which I think has qualified Trump as a racist), colored people time skit, etc. Again, I don't think she's a racist. Her campaign against Obama was the beginning of the birther movement, and her campaign circulated photos of Obama in Islamic style clothing. Campaign rhetoric. She isn't a racist.

Misogyny? I'm still out on that one. Yes, he has said some horrible things. No doubt. in fact I nearly abstained from voting because of them. However, in practice, he has promoted women in his companies and paid them very well, much better than Hillary's record shows in regards to her foundation http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/21/news...id-women-less/.

Go ahead and throw stats at me - I fully expect it - but I can find stats and you can find stats and we can each make them support our arguments. Such is the nature of statistics.

So, we both agree he has flawed character. I won't dispute. I don't see them to the degree that you do but they are there. I would suspect that Bill Clinton has said things (and done things) far worse than Trump and I didn't like Bill at all, so I get where you are.

I'd like to see how things play out. I'm excited about many of his appointments. I will say I'm not understanding the talk of the Exxon CEO as Secretary of State, but at this point that is certainly just a rumor.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

As a member of the Queer community, I am terrified--I'm not using the word flippantly--about most (all?) of his proposed cabinet. We fought hard to meek out marriage equality and other important protections. Drumph and Pence (especially the latter) seem hell-bent on marginalizing or even wiping Queers off the map.

[scaeagles]

I don't mean this rhetorically....I really am curious. At the convention, Trump said this -

"Only weeks ago, in Orlando, Fla., 49 wonderful Americans were savagely murdered by an Islamic terrorist,” Trump said. “This time, the terrorist targeted the LGBTQ community. No good, and we’re going to stop it. As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology. Believe me."

Do believe that was just for show? And if so, why would it be for show at the Republican convention?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Do I believe that was just for show? Yes.
I don't think Drumph gives a sh¡t about what happened in Orlando. I don't think he's glad it happened (unlike Pence, who I'm sure got a chubbie when he heard 49 fags got murdered), I just don't think Drumph cares one way or the other.

Why would Drumph make those comments at the RNC? Because he can spin it as anti-Muslim hate-speech.

Having said all that, I could rather easily be convinced Drumph is not personally homophobic. I think he's homo-apathetic. But holy fückballs, the team he's assembling certainly is homophobic! Seeing how nominee after nominee is anti-queer makes me wonder if Pence is whispering in Drumph's ear for these noms.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

for reference: No LGBT Ally Would Appoint This Cabinet

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Scaeagles, do you see why LGBT folk may be more than a little concerned?

And with all the Alt-White Supremacist folk Drumph is nominating, do you see why other minorities may be worried?

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Anyone else feeling queasy right now?

[RStar]

Yeah, it started a couple months ago and has been slowly getting worse....

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Or to use the new vernacular newspeak, it's been getting Alt Better.