Katrina Response Mismanagement - Page 13

innerSpaceman · 09-09-2005, 04:19 PM

And yes, FEMA, like to admit it or not, Ms. Neph, was FANTASTIC during Clinton's terms, and sucked during both Daddy and Baby Bush's terms. Clinton went to Congress after his drastic upgrading of FEMA had been duly demonstrated to the nation and begged them to stop the practice of political appointments to the department, and to stick with the qualified personnel appointments that made the department a success under Clinton.

What happened under Bush? Mr. Arabian Horseman appointed head of the department that protects us in case of a disaster. Business as usual in Washington. But NOT under Clinton.

Now bow down and lick Clinton's boots like all you Republicans know you should!

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-09-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Now bow down and lick Clinton's boots like all you Republicans know you should!

This got a giggle out of me...and I hate Clinton

scaeagles · 09-10-2005, 04:53 PM

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And yes, FEMA, like to admit it or not, Ms. Neph, was FANTASTIC during Clinton's terms

Well, I can sure find one hell of a lot of info to say otherwise on two pretty large hurricanes that took place during his terms - Hugo, in South Carolina, and Andrew, in Florida.

Rather than post all of the info I could find absolutely blasting FEMA for their performance during these tragedies, here's a couple quick tidbits -

From Wikipedia -
"Hugo caused $7 billion ($9.4 billion in 2000 dollars) in damage in the US (plus $3 billion in the Caribbean). At the time it was the costliest hurricane in US history, but was exceeded in 1992 by Hurricane Andrew in south Florida. In South Carolina, which bore the brunt of the storm on the continent, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was slow in responding and Senator Fritz Hollings referred to them as "a bunch of bureacratic jackasses.""

Well, reforms were made. FEMA had only been under control of the Clinton administration for 9 months. So I'll cut him a bit of a break. Then came Andrew -

"Rarely had the failure of the federal government been so apparent and so acute. On August 24, 1992, Hurricane Andrew leveled a 50-mile swath across southern Florida, leaving nearly 200,000 residents homeless and 1.3 million without electricity. Food, clean water, shelter, and medical assistance were scarce. Yet, for the first three days, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which is responsible for coordinating federal disaster relief, was nowhere to be found. And when FEMA did finally arrive, its incompetence further delayed relief efforts. Food and water distribution centers couldn't meet the overwhelming need; lines literally stretched for miles. Mobile hospitals arrived late. In everything it did, FEMA appeared to live up to the description once given to it by South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings: "the sorriest bunch of bureaucratic jackasses I've ever known." "

So....a few years later, FEMA didn't do much of a better job. If anyone wants me to post the NUMEROUS links to news stories of suffering and incompetence, I gladly will.

So, no - FEMA was most assuredly NOT fantastic during the Clinton years.

Do I blame Clinton? No - I blame bureaucratic government that gets ever larger as more disasters hit.

Edited to add:
I will say that I think FEMA under Clinton did a fine job in Oklahoma City. Similarly, FEMA did a great job under Bush in NY post 9/11.

SacTown Chronic · 09-10-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

From Wikipedia -
"Hugo caused $7 billion ($9.4 billion in 2000 dollars) in damage in the US (plus $3 billion in the Caribbean). At the time it was the costliest hurricane in US history, but was exceeded in 1992 by Hurricane Andrew in south Florida. In South Carolina, which bore the brunt of the storm on the continent, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was slow in responding and Senator Fritz Hollings referred to them as "a bunch of bureacratic jackasses.""

Clinton was sworn in on January 21, 1993.

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-10-2005, 07:30 PM

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Clinton was sworn in on January 21, 1993.

Don't ya just hate little details like that. So sceagles, what was that about Oklahoma City again?

Nice catch, Sac.

Nephythys · 09-12-2005, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Now bow down and lick Clinton's boots like all you Republicans know you should!

*snort*

Ha ha.....

wendybeth · 09-12-2005, 11:40 AM

Bush Family vacation

Morrigoon · 09-09-2005, 04:39 PM

I can agree with you in hating Bush, but you cannot make me like Clinton.... or her husband

innerSpaceman · 09-09-2005, 04:45 PM

Like or not like, I challenge any Republican to admit to approving of anything done under a democratic administration.

I seriously and truly cannot think of a single thing done by Baby Bush during his presidency that I approve of, but if you've got any suggestions to lay before me - I will give my honest answer even if it means approving of something Little Georgie did.

scaeagles · 09-09-2005, 10:29 PM

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Like or not like, I challenge any Republican to admit to approving of anything done under a democratic administration.

Just so GD doesn't jump on me, I'd like to point out that I didn't bring Clinton into this thread.

Clinton - Kosovo, NAFTA - and I didn't even have to think hard.

FDR - his handling of WWII

Beyond that....hmmm.

Carter - absolutely nothing, to be sure.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And yes, FEMA, like to admit it or not, Ms. Neph, was FANTASTIC during Clinton's terms, and sucked during both Daddy and Baby Bush's terms. Clinton went to Congress after his drastic upgrading of FEMA had been duly demonstrated to the nation and begged them to stop the practice of political appointments to the department, and to stick with the qualified personnel appointments that made the department a success under Clinton. What happened under Bush? Mr. Arabian Horseman appointed head of the department that protects us in case of a disaster. Business as usual in Washington. But NOT under Clinton. Now bow down and lick Clinton's boots like all you Republicans know you should!
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Like or not like, I challenge any Republican to admit to approving of anything done under a democratic administration. I seriously and truly cannot think of a single thing done by Baby Bush during his presidency that I approve of, but if you've got any suggestions to lay before me - I will give my honest answer even if it means approving of something Little Georgie did.
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