Katrina Response Mismanagement - Page 9

Ghoulish Delight · 09-07-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Is this supposed to be some sort of insult?

No, simply a frustration with the chorus (not from you) of, "Stop laying blame and start helping!"

Not Afraid · 09-07-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

No, simply a frustration with the chorus (not from you) of, "Stop laying blame and start helping!"

Well, then, stop being frustrated and DO SOMETHING to help.

scaeagles · 09-07-2005, 08:55 PM

I'd love to cite a link for you, but i haven't one. I've heard things like this said on Hardball (CNN - Chris Matthews), guests on Hannity & Colmes, various leaders.

innerSpaceman · 09-07-2005, 09:08 PM

How 'bout not laying blame on the mayor or the governor because their performance doesn't mean a rat's tail to me when California has a major earthquake. The only common factors for me to be afraid for my life are FEMA, the Department of Fatherland Security, and the federal government.

They are going to get most of my scorn because they come into play when the next emergency hits anywhere in the U.S. Except for the patented Blame Game, the mayor of NO and the Gov of LA are insignificant to the future.

scaeagles · 09-07-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

How 'bout not laying blame on the mayor or the governor because their performance doesn't mean a rat's tail to me when California has a major earthquake. The only common factors for me to be afraid for my life are FEMA, the Department of Fatherland Security, and the federal government.

So this means you care nothing about the suffering of the people in NOLA, only that you'll be safer should there be some major disaster.

To me that isn't the point at all. I kind of thought the issue was what happened to those people and who might have prevented much of the suffering and death.

€uroMeinke · 09-07-2005, 09:50 PM

I blame Katrina

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-07-2005, 10:17 PM

Some of us are doing things to help and we are demanding answers. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I agree with iSm. I can't hold the Mayor accountable. The people of New Orleans need to do that. I can't hold the Governor accountable. The people of Louisiana have to do that. But, I should have a say as far as FEMA is concerning because my tax dollars are paying for it. My President said we are better prepared for an emergency since 9/11 and spent a whole lot of money to make that happen. Three weeks ago, I thought we were a lot better at emergency management than I do now. If an earthquake hits here, can I expect better from FEMA? If another disaster hits another part of the country, will FEMA respond better? This hurricane came with warning. A terrorist attack won't.

FEMA and President Bush are not responsible for this hurricane. They shouldn't take all of the blame for the response either. The Mayor and Governor did a piss poor job as well. And anyone that could leave and didn't, they screwed up too.

Bottom Line: We need to fix all of these problems quickly and efficiently and be better prepared next time. The dialog needs to begin immediately though, before the indifference sets in and we lose interest. We won't do it by waiting until it is "appropriate" to talk about it.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-08-2005, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Some of us are doing things to help and we are demanding answers. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes, thank you. I've done what I can. But the implication that continuing to highlight what went wrong in the hopes that the gaping inadequacies get fixed somehow hampers the continued relief effort and that we should all shut up and be good little cheerleaders is ridiculous.

Nephythys · 09-08-2005, 08:04 AM

For me it is not about cheerleading (I'd look silly in those short skirts) it's about the single minded attitude (not pointing fingers) that insists on attacking the gov't for their own political purposes.

Again- not pointing fingers.....just expressing frustration. It is one thing to see people get to the bottom of the problem in order to fix it for the future, and another to try to use it to change a political point in their favor. It makes me sick to see people try to score political points off the dead and homeless.

SacTown Chronic · 09-08-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

It makes me sick to see people try to score political points off the dead and homeless.

The Bush 2004 reelection campaign with it's too numerous to count references to 9/11 must have had you vomiting nonstop.

09-07-2005, 08:55 PM	#3
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'd love to cite a link for you, but i haven't one. I've heard things like this said on Hardball (CNN - Chris Matthews), guests on Hannity & Colmes, various leaders.
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09-07-2005, 09:08 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	How 'bout not laying blame on the mayor or the governor because their performance doesn't mean a rat's tail to me when California has a major earthquake. The only common factors for me to be afraid for my life are FEMA, the Department of Fatherland Security, and the federal government. They are going to get most of my scorn because they come into play when the next emergency hits anywhere in the U.S. Except for the patented Blame Game, the mayor of NO and the Gov of LA are insignificant to the future.
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09-07-2005, 09:50 PM	#6
€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I blame Katrina __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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09-07-2005, 10:17 PM	#7
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Some of us are doing things to help and we are demanding answers. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I agree with iSm. I can't hold the Mayor accountable. The people of New Orleans need to do that. I can't hold the Governor accountable. The people of Louisiana have to do that. But, I should have a say as far as FEMA is concerning because my tax dollars are paying for it. My President said we are better prepared for an emergency since 9/11 and spent a whole lot of money to make that happen. Three weeks ago, I thought we were a lot better at emergency management than I do now. If an earthquake hits here, can I expect better from FEMA? If another disaster hits another part of the country, will FEMA respond better? This hurricane came with warning. A terrorist attack won't. FEMA and President Bush are not responsible for this hurricane. They shouldn't take all of the blame for the response either. The Mayor and Governor did a piss poor job as well. And anyone that could leave and didn't, they screwed up too. Bottom Line: We need to fix all of these problems quickly and efficiently and be better prepared next time. The dialog needs to begin immediately though, before the indifference sets in and we lose interest. We won't do it by waiting until it is "appropriate" to talk about it.
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09-08-2005, 08:04 AM	#9
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	For me it is not about cheerleading (I'd look silly in those short skirts) it's about the single minded attitude (not pointing fingers) that insists on attacking the gov't for their own political purposes. Again- not pointing fingers.....just expressing frustration. It is one thing to see people get to the bottom of the problem in order to fix it for the future, and another to try to use it to change a political point in their favor. It makes me sick to see people try to score political points off the dead and homeless.
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