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sleepyjeff · 09-19-2005, 09:35 AM

If the Dems were smart(he,heh) they would nominate someone like Bill Richardson and try to seize the middle back from the Republicans............but with Hillary I don't think the Reps have to worry about losing the middle.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-19-2005, 09:41 AM

I'm not so sure about that. They've been trying to middle for a while now. It may server them better to do what the Republicans have done, speak to their base and get them mobilized. The middle seems to move not towards the candidate that speaks to them, but to the stronger party.

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-19-2005, 09:44 AM

At this point, I'm more interested in seeing what will happen in '06. That should be interesting.

As far as '08, I don't think that running any senator is a smart move. Governors seem to do much better in presidential elections. As far as who I think would be a good choice, I really have no idea. I hope that someone will emerge in the next couple of years. The dems would be idiots to try Kerry again.

scaeagles · 09-19-2005, 10:29 AM

What I think is interesting in the whole electoral process - Senate, House, Govs, President - is that everyone always talks about how they don't want politicians. Yet those that run that aren't politicians - or have no previous politicial experience but perhaps turn into politicians - get little support.

I voted for Steve Forbes in the 2000 AZ primary.

I'm not a Wesley Clark fan, but he didn't fare well on the dem side in the primaries.

What is the reason for this? Is it the political party structure keeping those who haven't "paid their dues" out of the running? Hmmmm.....

wendybeth · 09-19-2005, 10:34 AM

Oh, I think it is most definitely a 'paid their dues' sort of thing. The thing is, exactly what type of dues are they supposed to pay? I'd love to see a candidate with half a brain and a limited history with the pack of wolves running the government these days. Or someone like Truman, who was chosen because they thought they could control him, and wound up being a very strong leader.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-19-2005, 11:48 AM

It's all semantics. If they are running for office, they're politicians. And, to be honest, I prefer someone with political experience in higher office. Getting things done in that environment is a skill that must be learned. Someone with no experience may have great intentions, but if they don't know the system, they aren't going to accomplish squat.

The key for me is to find someone who knows the system, and is willing to use the system constructively rather than to advance personal interests and do favors for their cronies. Or at least, keep that to a minimum (I'm not holding my breath for perfection).

Morrigoon · 09-19-2005, 12:23 PM

Personally, I hope the dems DON'T run Billary. I'd like to see them produce a candidate I can actually vote for. I don't have much hope of my own party doing that (unless they wanna dust off Dole for another go).

PanTheMan · 09-19-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Personally, I hope the dems DON'T run Billary. I'd like to see them produce a candidate I can actually vote for. I don't have much hope of my own party doing that (unless they wanna dust off Dole for another go).

I too hope Hilary falls flat. As for Dole, He was my Pick in '88. Bush41 railroaded him, but good. And think, Had Dole Won in '88 (and possibly been re-elected in 92, as the Perotbots would not have split from the GOP in the numbers they did to escape Bush41) We Most definatley would NOT have Shrub in office Now.

Prudence · 09-19-2005, 12:24 PM

I have no idea who the Dems could run as a strong contender next go 'round, but in my fantasy land that person runs on a strong platform focused on fiscal responsibility (reducing debt, developing alternative (non-federal) funding for social programs, streamlining social programs), smaller government, and restoration of personal freedoms, including freedom of association. I've long felt that the only real difference between the parties was gay rights and Roe v. Wade. So what would happen if the Ds co-opted the traditional conservative viewpoints and proved that the Rs are only socially conservative?

As I said -- it's my fantasy land. <sigh>

PanTheMan · 09-19-2005, 12:56 PM

I fear the Dems have dug themselves into a deep hole, pandering to the far Left. As we have seen in this last election, there seems to be far more far right voters, than far left ones. (Thinaks in part to HUGE Republican voter registration drives at Churches...TAX EXEMPT Churches, but that is another thread)

I Hope McCain runs, as far as the GOP. As for the Dems, Gore has been quietly making some news of late.....Hmmmmmmm.... I wonder why?......

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I'm not so sure about that. They've been trying to middle for a while now. It may server them better to do what the Republicans have done, speak to their base and get them mobilized. The middle seems to move not towards the candidate that speaks to them, but to the stronger party. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	At this point, I'm more interested in seeing what will happen in '06. That should be interesting. As far as '08, I don't think that running any senator is a smart move. Governors seem to do much better in presidential elections. As far as who I think would be a good choice, I really have no idea. I hope that someone will emerge in the next couple of years. The dems would be idiots to try Kerry again.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	What I think is interesting in the whole electoral process - Senate, House, Govs, President - is that everyone always talks about how they don't want politicians. Yet those that run that aren't politicians - or have no previous politicial experience but perhaps turn into politicians - get little support. I voted for Steve Forbes in the 2000 AZ primary. I'm not a Wesley Clark fan, but he didn't fare well on the dem side in the primaries. What is the reason for this? Is it the political party structure keeping those who haven't "paid their dues" out of the running? Hmmmm.....
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Oh, I think it is most definitely a 'paid their dues' sort of thing. The thing is, exactly what type of dues are they supposed to pay? I'd love to see a candidate with half a brain and a limited history with the pack of wolves running the government these days. Or someone like Truman, who was chosen because they thought they could control him, and wound up being a very strong leader. __________________
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	It's all semantics. If they are running for office, they're politicians. And, to be honest, I prefer someone with political experience in higher office. Getting things done in that environment is a skill that must be learned. Someone with no experience may have great intentions, but if they don't know the system, they aren't going to accomplish squat. The key for me is to find someone who knows the system, and is willing to use the system constructively rather than to advance personal interests and do favors for their cronies. Or at least, keep that to a minimum (I'm not holding my breath for perfection). __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Personally, I hope the dems DON'T run Billary. I'd like to see them produce a candidate I can actually vote for. I don't have much hope of my own party doing that (unless they wanna dust off Dole for another go). __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	I have no idea who the Dems could run as a strong contender next go 'round, but in my fantasy land that person runs on a strong platform focused on fiscal responsibility (reducing debt, developing alternative (non-federal) funding for social programs, streamlining social programs), smaller government, and restoration of personal freedoms, including freedom of association. I've long felt that the only real difference between the parties was gay rights and Roe v. Wade. So what would happen if the Ds co-opted the traditional conservative viewpoints and proved that the Rs are only socially conservative? As I said -- it's my fantasy land. <sigh> __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
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PanTheMan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere between you, and just over there. Posts: 258	I fear the Dems have dug themselves into a deep hole, pandering to the far Left. As we have seen in this last election, there seems to be far more far right voters, than far left ones. (Thinaks in part to HUGE Republican voter registration drives at Churches...TAX EXEMPT Churches, but that is another thread) I Hope McCain runs, as far as the GOP. As for the Dems, Gore has been quietly making some news of late.....Hmmmmmmm.... I wonder why?...... __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? ....
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