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Old 09-22-2005, 11:14 PM   #1
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:27 AM   #2
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It's puzzling for me, a non-Catholic, that marriage should be lauded as a sacrament -- not just spiffy but a *holy sacrament* -- and also forbidden to the clergy.
Ah, but, they consider the sacrament that is available only to priests (& deacons), Holy Orders, to be even more holy than marriage.
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Old 09-23-2005, 02:18 PM   #3
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Ah, but, they consider the sacrament that is available only to priests (& deacons), Holy Orders, to be even more holy than marriage.
But the two sacraments were not always mutually exclusive. The adoption of a more ascetic lifestyle was gradual, in fits and starts, and not imposed from the beginning. In fact, there are those who argue that the church does not truly follow through with its alleged committment to the ascetic life -- witness the various reform-style heresies (Waldensians, Humiliati, etc...) -- and that it's historical accumulation of property is inconsistent with its mission.

But that would be an entirely different thread.
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I think some people are missing too many bits in the Bible about crucifying the flesh (that means "killing" the needs of the body) and dedicating themselves to God. The whole point is setting aside those bodily needs- so you don't announce that it's too hard for them- so let them screw whoever they want.

Guess there is no sweater this time Lizzie- LOL
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I think some people are missing too many bits in the Bible about crucifying the flesh (that means "killing" the needs of the body) and dedicating themselves to God. The whole point is setting aside those bodily needs- so you don't announce that it's too hard for them- so let them screw whoever they want.

Guess there is no sweater this time Lizzie- LOL
No there is totally a sweater: the priesthood is supposed to be celibate (killing the needs of the body) and dedicate themselves to God. So the whole no-gays thing just MAKES NO SENSE! Because, if you've left behind the normal "sexual" part of your life to pursue spirituality, then it matters not what orientation you once had. There will be no screwing of any kind. And I don't think that that's any harder for one orientation over another!

-- needs his sweater?

Oops, just re-read: is it the announce part that is the difficulty?
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