Vatican to Ban Gay Priests

[PanTheMan]

Celibacy? no Altar boys? and NOW... NO GAYS??....

OH THE HUMANITY!!!!

Actually being raised Catholic, and being an Altar boy who never had any problems, I considered myself good friends with the Priests I knew.

Looking back 2 of them were total QUEENS! at 10 you dont see these things, i thought they were very nice guys. I will always be amazed at peoples OBSESSIONS with who is attracted to and sleeps with who. (Between consenting ADULTS of course)

I know back in the 80's and early 90's many priests died of "Cancer" This of course was played down by the church . Now we know this "Cancer" was AIDS.

I think if the Catholic Church were to kick out Gays, they would lose at least Half of thier priests.

[Morrigoon]

I don't see what effect banning gay priests is going to have on their pedophilia problems? Do they think they're the same thing?

[Morrigoon]

Perhaps they should let priests and nuns marry eachother, so they'll be equally yoked?

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Perhaps they should let priests and nuns marry eachother, so they'll be equally yoked?

And that would be the early so-called "Celtic Church" which did include married people in holy orders -- raising kids and everything. Alas, I am not as well versed in the early history of church on the islands. (Except for Bede, my buddy pal.)

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by Prudence

And that would be the early so-called "Celtic Church" which did include married people in holy orders -- raising kids and everything. Alas, I am not as well versed in the early history of church on the islands. (Except for Bede, my buddy pal.)

Celtic church! Ooh, tell me more!

Here's a thought: could the suppression of information about Jesus' hypothetical marriage have come about at the same time that they decided priests should be celibate? Perhaps the suppression of that info was to give the impression that Jesus was himself celibate as a roving rabbi?

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Celtic church! Ooh, tell me more!

Alas, I don't know much about it. I can't even give you a good timeline. But I suspect that geographic isolation contributed both to the persistence of local traditions and leniency from Rome. (If you can't get over there to enforce the rules, they can't get to where you are and foment rebellion, either.)

Aren't Aglican priests allowed to marry?

[PanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Celtic church! Ooh, tell me more!

Here's a thought: could the suppression of information about Jesus' hypothetical marriage have come about at the same time that they decided priests should be celibate? Perhaps the suppression of that info was to give the impression that Jesus was himself celibate as a roving rabbi?

Two parts here 2 different subjects...
Celts were primarily Druid, they did however have a wide array of Gods and Godesses, mainly of earthen nature to oversee successful crops. They also believed once a King Died he became a god, and would continue to guide them. Gods however took the forms of many things or animals and would visit during dreams or in visions. Morigon, (Dont hate me if I'm wrong) Took the form of a Sacred Cow. A sign of life, fertility, and Happiness for women.

On the second point, Did you know the Catholic church had Married Popes? between 300- 600 A.D. The Papacy was often in Chaos, even being moved once to France from Italy. There was one period that there were 3 Popes at the same time! Celibacy was adopted in the 7th century in the Church for several reasons, most of them more political than religious.

Rabbi's during the time of Christ were supposed to be Celibate as entering the inner rooms of the Temple was strictly a Men Only thing, and Women were though to be "Unclean" as punishment for the sin of Eve. Rabbi's would go though elaborate bathing rituals before entering the temple as would Men able to enter the Temple. Jesus Cured a Blind man in one such bath.

[PanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

Perhaps they should let priests and nuns marry eachother, so they'll be equally yoked?

Then we would be back to Gay Marriage. Except this time it would be mostly Lesbians marrying Gay Men...lol

[alphabassettgrrl]

I think I love you, Prudence! Thanks for the history lesson.

'Goon, I think many people *do* equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

GC, I agree that among the most violent gay-haters are the closeted gay folks... so in that respect maybe keeping gay men away from the priesthood might be good. Then again, that just promotes denial. You can't lie because that's a sin, but to deny it... that's not a sin. It's a flaw, but not a sin so much. It's not something commonly thought of as a choice.

I actually think that a lot of self-hating gay men and perverts of all stripes go for religious orders. Not to equate them, except that both are strong, unacceptable urges. What better than to serve god? God will either cure you or take it on himself or solve your problem somehow. It doesn't seem to be as operative for women. Thus, we get these high level preachers, who devote themselves with all their hearts to god, and in the middle of the night have a secret. We get money scandals, sex scandals, their personal worlds collapsing when the secret demands to see the light of day. Jung called it the Shadow, and the more you repress it the more it demands. Preachers seem to be trying to lock it in a box in their heads and it doesn't work. You'd think we would have figured this out by now, but it doesn't seem we have.

As far as the celibacy thing goes, I agree that abstaining from sex is a good way to focus your energy on god. I disagree that it should be a permanent condition. Does work out well that celibate priests don't have children to ask about inheritance from the church... Ok, now I'm being cynical.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

GC, I agree that among the most violent gay-haters are the closeted gay folks... so in that respect maybe keeping gay men away from the priesthood might be good...

I have spoken with a man of the cloth who believes that being a priest will cancel out him being homosexual. I think this is why a lot of girls become Catholic priests.

I also know for a fact that a lot of gay priests clump together in the church and consider themselves a fraternity of sorts. Kind of like a pink Opus Dei. And apparently, it's a hard group to work with when you're a straight priest or deacon.

Interesting, no?