The Plame Game - Page 3

scaeagles · 10-28-2005, 11:38 AM

You think or you wish?

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2005, 11:58 AM

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You think or you wish?

I believe I said 'think(ing)'.

Alex · 10-28-2005, 02:16 PM

But it doesn't appear that there is a finding that any crime happened initially just that Libby wasn't truthful about it after the investigation began. Whether Libby did it on his own or because of Cheney, if it were a crime to have leaked it Libby would still be indictable for it.

Of course, it may be that there'll be more from the next grand jury.

innerSpaceman · 10-28-2005, 11:44 AM

Can't speak for G.C. - but for me? Yeah, I think. He's Cheney's Chief of Staff, not merely "personal advisor." It's possible that he acted without the knowledge of his superior, but I find that concept doubtful.

It's likely that Cheney put 50 degrees of deniability between himself and the actual leak of Plame's name (which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated), but the degrees of cover-up often get dangerously close to the perpetrators. I really don't think it happens to stop at Scooter's desk and doesn't cross the tiny thin line to Dick's.

Scrooge McSam · 10-28-2005, 02:35 PM

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(which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated)

I'm not so sure about that.

TalkingPointsMemo.com has a juicy little tidbit on that subject.

Alex · 10-28-2005, 03:09 PM

Kind of an annoying indictment. Other than mentioning that the purpose of the grand jury was to investigate possible violations of Title 50, Section 421 and Title 18, Section 793 (two laws making it a crime to reveal confidential information) the indictments do not adress these issues at all.

All five charges are just iterations from the same set of lies (he misrepresented his reaction on Meet the Press and that he told Miller and Cooper that other reporters were saying that Plame was his wife or ). Interesting reading, but doesn't address any of the interesting questions. It does not at all address whether Libby knew Plame was classified, though it does seem to accept that such knowledge would make the case a crime (something that many watchers do not agree with).

Interesting reading.

Gemini Cricket · 02-09-2006, 06:52 PM

New development. 2/9/06.

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A former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney told a federal grand jury that his superiors authorized him to give secret information to reporters as part of the Bush administration's defense of intelligence used to justify invading Iraq, according to court papers.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said in documents filed last month that he plans to introduce evidence that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff, disclosed to reporters the contents of a classified National Intelligence Estimate in the summer of 2003.

Source

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2005, 02:25 PM

My theory is that he might be waiting for Libby to speak out about the others... But it's just a theory.

Alex · 10-28-2005, 02:30 PM

I do like the conundrum of it though, since most people in favor of open government do not want to see these laws enforced against leaks to journalists, and yet many would really like to see the administration get burned however possible.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	But it doesn't appear that there is a finding that any crime happened initially just that Libby wasn't truthful about it after the investigation began. Whether Libby did it on his own or because of Cheney, if it were a crime to have leaked it Libby would still be indictable for it. Of course, it may be that there'll be more from the next grand jury.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Can't speak for G.C. - but for me? Yeah, I think. He's Cheney's Chief of Staff, not merely "personal advisor." It's possible that he acted without the knowledge of his superior, but I find that concept doubtful. It's likely that Cheney put 50 degrees of deniability between himself and the actual leak of Plame's name (which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated), but the degrees of cover-up often get dangerously close to the perpetrators. I really don't think it happens to stop at Scooter's desk and doesn't cross the tiny thin line to Dick's. Last edited by innerSpaceman : 10-28-2005 at 11:51 AM.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Kind of an annoying indictment. Other than mentioning that the purpose of the grand jury was to investigate possible violations of Title 50, Section 421 and Title 18, Section 793 (two laws making it a crime to reveal confidential information) the indictments do not adress these issues at all. All five charges are just iterations from the same set of lies (he misrepresented his reaction on Meet the Press and that he told Miller and Cooper that other reporters were saying that Plame was his wife or ). Interesting reading, but doesn't address any of the interesting questions. It does not at all address whether Libby knew Plame was classified, though it does seem to accept that such knowledge would make the case a crime (something that many watchers do not agree with). Interesting reading.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	My theory is that he might be waiting for Libby to speak out about the others... But it's just a theory.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I do like the conundrum of it though, since most people in favor of open government do not want to see these laws enforced against leaks to journalists, and yet many would really like to see the administration get burned however possible.
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