Societal norms, the Moral Majority and a rant that feels so good - Page 3

MickeyLumbo · 11-01-2005, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal

The wife became aware of my bi-sexuality

i wish i was lesbian

Scrooge McSam · 10-31-2005, 02:35 PM

Welcome back, GD and CP!!!!!

Name · 10-31-2005, 03:24 PM

I think their just jealous......

scaeagles · 10-31-2005, 03:54 PM

I actually have always felt a more appropriate saying regarding this is regarding pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own.

I have always felt that when talking about "judging", at least in a biblical sense, is in reference to final judgement on salvation or eternal damnation. I think judging is something everyone does in every situation - making an analysis based on the facts and personal upbringing and opinion and making a judgement about it.

If I think what someone else is doing is a problem, unless life or limb is at stake, who am I to tell the person what they are doing is wrong?

It also depends on the relationship. I coach HS basketball (and today s the happiest day of the year - the first practice of the season is today!) and frequently offer advice or value judgements to my players. It's not just coaching, it's mentoring young men.

Motorboat Cruiser · 10-31-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

It's not just coaching, it's mentoring young men.

Nope, not going to touch it.

Name · 10-31-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Nope, not going to touch it.

oh, you know you want to....

scaeagles · 10-31-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Nope, not going to touch it.

That's a good philosophy when you're coaching.

LSPoorEeyorick · 10-31-2005, 06:50 PM

Oh, you guys. I am so sorry to hear that you were attacked this weekend. I can't comprehend this person's behavior.

The first time a friend of mine came out of the closet, it was via grapevine as well. Except that, after hearing it, I went straight up to my friend and said "no matter what happens, I will always love you." I hadn't had time to process the concept of homosexuality ('out' gays weren't prevalent in our community and my parents hadn't discussed them much with me.) But I didn't give a flying f u c k. I didn't care who he loved, I loved him because he was a good person and a supportive, generous, kind friend. And once I had time to think about homosexuality, all of the judgements heaped upon it seemed so horribly ridiculous. People's various biological sexual tendencies make me joyful-- gay, straight, bisexual, asexual, transsexual-- How wonderful. We feel. We live. We're allowed to love who we love.

There is nothing wrong with you, Crystal, and I know you know that. You're a wonderful person; what's not to love? And there is nothing wrong with your relationship with Jason-- in fact, from all that I have observed, it's a really beautiful and strong one.

Your friend is the one in the wrong. What kind of friend lets something like that--even if it's something they don't necessarily agree with-- stand in the way of a long relationship with a human being they've grown to know and appreciate enough to call 'friend'? It's impossible for us to erase the negativity this person has projectile vomited upon you. But let us at least remind you that we see who you are, we know who you are, we like who you are.

And we say: hot bisexual! Who doesn't love a hot bisexual? Something is terribly wrong with those rotten 'friends' on so many levels.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-31-2005, 09:03 PM

I judge Crystal's bisexuality to be a-ok.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-31-2005, 10:04 PM

I'm sure as hell going to judge them.

Dealing with similar black and white views on the world from within my family, as well as other moments with friends whom I thought were open-minded, I'm feeling a lot of sympathy for you guys here. It can be quite shocking to have someone say such awful things to your face.

And they said your kids can't play with their kids anymore? Yeech. I wonder if these people will ever realize how wrong they were. As it is, I'm sure there's no going back after such things are brought to the surface...again, I know just how you feel.

Whatever you guys do to keep your marriage strong is the right answer....duh.

LSPE is right - it's downright unAmerican to mock a hot bisexual chick! Hell, Crystal is a hot bisexual chick that apparently prefers men at least slightly (you are married to a man, after all), takes care of kids and cleans house (ok, I'm assuming here). You're like, the ultimate dream woman!

Sooooo, are you guys visiting SoCal anytime soon without the kids?

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I actually have always felt a more appropriate saying regarding this is regarding pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own. I have always felt that when talking about "judging", at least in a biblical sense, is in reference to final judgement on salvation or eternal damnation. I think judging is something everyone does in every situation - making an analysis based on the facts and personal upbringing and opinion and making a judgement about it. If I think what someone else is doing is a problem, unless life or limb is at stake, who am I to tell the person what they are doing is wrong? It also depends on the relationship. I coach HS basketball (and today s the happiest day of the year - the first practice of the season is today!) and frequently offer advice or value judgements to my players. It's not just coaching, it's mentoring young men.
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LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Oh, you guys. I am so sorry to hear that you were attacked this weekend. I can't comprehend this person's behavior. The first time a friend of mine came out of the closet, it was via grapevine as well. Except that, after hearing it, I went straight up to my friend and said "no matter what happens, I will always love you." I hadn't had time to process the concept of homosexuality ('out' gays weren't prevalent in our community and my parents hadn't discussed them much with me.) But I didn't give a flying f u c k. I didn't care who he loved, I loved him because he was a good person and a supportive, generous, kind friend. And once I had time to think about homosexuality, all of the judgements heaped upon it seemed so horribly ridiculous. People's various biological sexual tendencies make me joyful-- gay, straight, bisexual, asexual, transsexual-- How wonderful. We feel. We live. We're allowed to love who we love. There is nothing wrong with you, Crystal, and I know you know that. You're a wonderful person; what's not to love? And there is nothing wrong with your relationship with Jason-- in fact, from all that I have observed, it's a really beautiful and strong one. Your friend is the one in the wrong. What kind of friend lets something like that--even if it's something they don't necessarily agree with-- stand in the way of a long relationship with a human being they've grown to know and appreciate enough to call 'friend'? It's impossible for us to erase the negativity this person has projectile vomited upon you. But let us at least remind you that we see who you are, we know who you are, we like who you are. And we say: hot bisexual! Who doesn't love a hot bisexual? Something is terribly wrong with those rotten 'friends' on so many levels.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I judge Crystal's bisexuality to be a-ok. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I'm sure as hell going to judge them. Dealing with similar black and white views on the world from within my family, as well as other moments with friends whom I thought were open-minded, I'm feeling a lot of sympathy for you guys here. It can be quite shocking to have someone say such awful things to your face. And they said your kids can't play with their kids anymore? Yeech. I wonder if these people will ever realize how wrong they were. As it is, I'm sure there's no going back after such things are brought to the surface...again, I know just how you feel. Whatever you guys do to keep your marriage strong is the right answer....duh. LSPE is right - it's downright unAmerican to mock a hot bisexual chick! Hell, Crystal is a hot bisexual chick that apparently prefers men at least slightly (you are married to a man, after all), takes care of kids and cleans house (ok, I'm assuming here). You're like, the ultimate dream woman! Sooooo, are you guys visiting SoCal anytime soon without the kids? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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