Societal norms, the Moral Majority and a rant that feels so good - Page 5

wendybeth · 11-01-2005, 06:46 PM

If some young kid goes out, gets drunk off his ass, and then plows into my car- I'm gonna call him stupid. (If I survive). In fact, any time someone younger does something that impacts me negetively, you bet I'll call it like I see it. People called me on it when I was young and stupid, and I intend to carry on the tradition. However, the only time I venture an opinion is when mine is requested, or they've done something that affected me or mine on a personal level. The rest of the time, I am good with just sitting back and watching them make an ass out of themselves.

Not Afraid · 11-01-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

The rest of the time, I am good with just sitting back and watching them make an ass out of themselves.

Yes, you can't discount the entertainment value of others' stupidities. If nothing else, it makes me grateful.

€uroMeinke · 11-01-2005, 06:43 PM

I think we need to define judgement. Myself, I judge people all the time, "what an idiot" I might exclaim as someone cuts me off. But I rarely call people "bad" or "evil" - then again as a moral relativist, I really don't believe in those things.

Going back to the OP - I think you just have to aknowledge the fact that in this big world there will be people who don't like you for a variety of reasons, sometimes with grounds, often time without. In the end, I believe we hang with the people we want to be with and who want to be with you. Sometimes it's sad to see an old relationship sour, but it happens all the time and it's usually best to look forward than back

innerSpaceman · 11-01-2005, 06:52 PM

As most people with children can tell you, human offspring seem to require learning everything for themselves ... with far too little observing what to do from parents. There are times when we'd rather have bear cubs than human kids. Animal babies seem to learn from their mamas; human kidlets seem to learn only from personal experience. It can be maddening.

But it's why we, imo, should not harshly judge 6-year-olds for being stupid, or 17-year-olds for being lame, or 26-year-olds (ahem) for not making the wise decisions that are clear to me at 45 (but were just as obscured when I myself was 26 ... or 17 or 6).

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And it's so interesting how we can all judge Crystal's ex-friend for the crime of having judged Crystal.

Don't get me wrong; I think the ex-friend is a lametard asshat. But how far off is that judgment from the one that judged Crystal in the first place? It's a vicious cycle.

wendybeth · 11-01-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Don't get me wrong; I think the ex-friend is a lametard asshat. But how far off is that judgment from the one that judged Crystal in the first place? It's a vicious cycle.

However, she could be useful in certain areas of the Kingdom of Loathing....

Not Afraid · 11-01-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And it's so interesting how we can all judge Crystal's ex-friend for the crime of having judged Crystal.

Don't get me wrong; I think the ex-friend is a lametard asshat. But how far off is that judgment from the one that judged Crystal in the first place? It's a vicious cycle.

Yup. We all do it. Our reasons may be different, but everyone does it.

I mean, name 5 things you get judged about frequently?

I'll go first:

Keeping my own last name
Dying my hair beautiful colors (beautiful is my own judgement)
Going to Disney "Too Much"
Not having a "real" job anymore
Being loud, "popular" and valued among my friends. <that's the worst one. I get hate mail over that one even!

Alex · 11-01-2005, 11:27 PM

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And it's so interesting how we can all judge Crystal's ex-friend for the crime of having judged Crystal.

I've tried very hard not to judge the former friends. I don't have nearly enough information about the situation to do that. There may very well be information we don't have that would lead me to agree with this person.

I have no opinion on whether her judgment of Crystal is right or wrong (though if it is based purely on bisexuality, then I probably disagree with it but it is a judgment people have the right to make.

Based on the information provided, I would judge the friend's behavior to be rude, needlessly hurtful, and not the right (as I define it) way to handle such things. If she decided that something about Crystal was a problem then she should simply have moved on.

But again, for all I know, with the same information as the friend has, I may very well have come to the same judgment, though I would have behaved differently.

€uroMeinke · 11-01-2005, 06:54 PM

I give mojo all the time - I consider that a judgement

LSPoorEeyorick · 11-01-2005, 07:18 PM

1) My weight. Somebody overweight surely must be lazy, and eat terribly, and sit on the couch all day.

2) My spirituality. Oh, she was raised Catholic, it must mean she thinks all of the rest of us are going to hell. Or from the other direction... oh, she's not a practicing Catholic. She must be going to hell with the rest of them.

3) My job. Oh, she's low down the totem pole in insurance. She must rob from babies. Or, she must not know enough to be listened to. And she definitely must not have two bachelor's degrees.

4) My creative outlets. Oh, she's into theater, she must be flighty and airheaded. Oh, she's into film, she must want to be a star.

5) My weight. I said it already. It bears repeating.

SacTown Chronic · 11-01-2005, 07:51 PM

1) Apparently some people are bothered that my wife is some sort of bisexual slut. But are they judging me or my wife; her bisexuality or the fact that she's married and actively bisexual?

And how many of you have read this thread and are now judging us by what you've learned?

2) I like to smoke weed.

3) Our family goes to Disneyland every year. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has told me how weird they think that is or how lame Disneyland is for grown-ups.

4) I like to watch golf on tv.

5) Most of my extended family considers my political leanings to be "fvcked up".

11-01-2005, 06:46 PM	#1
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	If some young kid goes out, gets drunk off his ass, and then plows into my car- I'm gonna call him stupid. (If I survive). In fact, any time someone younger does something that impacts me negetively, you bet I'll call it like I see it. People called me on it when I was young and stupid, and I intend to carry on the tradition. However, the only time I venture an opinion is when mine is requested, or they've done something that affected me or mine on a personal level. The rest of the time, I am good with just sitting back and watching them make an ass out of themselves. __________________
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11-01-2005, 06:43 PM	#3
€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I think we need to define judgement. Myself, I judge people all the time, "what an idiot" I might exclaim as someone cuts me off. But I rarely call people "bad" or "evil" - then again as a moral relativist, I really don't believe in those things. Going back to the OP - I think you just have to aknowledge the fact that in this big world there will be people who don't like you for a variety of reasons, sometimes with grounds, often time without. In the end, I believe we hang with the people we want to be with and who want to be with you. Sometimes it's sad to see an old relationship sour, but it happens all the time and it's usually best to look forward than back __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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11-01-2005, 06:52 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	As most people with children can tell you, human offspring seem to require learning everything for themselves ... with far too little observing what to do from parents. There are times when we'd rather have bear cubs than human kids. Animal babies seem to learn from their mamas; human kidlets seem to learn only from personal experience. It can be maddening. But it's why we, imo, should not harshly judge 6-year-olds for being stupid, or 17-year-olds for being lame, or 26-year-olds (ahem) for not making the wise decisions that are clear to me at 45 (but were just as obscured when I myself was 26 ... or 17 or 6). * * * * * And it's so interesting how we can all judge Crystal's ex-friend for the crime of having judged Crystal. Don't get me wrong; I think the ex-friend is a lametard asshat. But how far off is that judgment from the one that judged Crystal in the first place? It's a vicious cycle.
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11-01-2005, 06:54 PM	#8
€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I give mojo all the time - I consider that a judgement __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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11-01-2005, 07:18 PM	#9
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	1) My weight. Somebody overweight surely must be lazy, and eat terribly, and sit on the couch all day. 2) My spirituality. Oh, she was raised Catholic, it must mean she thinks all of the rest of us are going to hell. Or from the other direction... oh, she's not a practicing Catholic. She must be going to hell with the rest of them. 3) My job. Oh, she's low down the totem pole in insurance. She must rob from babies. Or, she must not know enough to be listened to. And she definitely must not have two bachelor's degrees. 4) My creative outlets. Oh, she's into theater, she must be flighty and airheaded. Oh, she's into film, she must want to be a star. 5) My weight. I said it already. It bears repeating.
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11-01-2005, 07:51 PM	#10
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	1) Apparently some people are bothered that my wife is some sort of bisexual slut. But are they judging me or my wife; her bisexuality or the fact that she's married and actively bisexual? And how many of you have read this thread and are now judging us by what you've learned? 2) I like to smoke weed. 3) Our family goes to Disneyland every year. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone has told me how weird they think that is or how lame Disneyland is for grown-ups. 4) I like to watch golf on tv. 5) Most of my extended family considers my political leanings to be "fvcked up".
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