Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

And this is what costume and fashion are all about. We all have features we'd like to draw attention to, and those we'd like to hide - clothing is one of the most basic means of doing that. A well tailored outfit can make us all look better. I'd like to think this is a consideration among the costume redesigns, but again I'll reserve judgement till I see what comes off the cat walk.

Which was partially my point earlier.

Of course, it's not even just about size, cut and fit of clothing. It's pattern and color. Back when they did have strict appearance guidelines for their casting, it made sense to have everyone in a certain role wearing the same costume. Now that they are more inclusive with who they hire, no matter how hard they try, a single costume design is at BEST going to be "not unflattering", I fear. Not just because of the shape, but because stripes don't look right on some people, blue doesn't look right on others. Especially with a costume like the tour guides'. It's one thing if it's a pirate costume, or other such highly themed item. In those cases, the theming overshadows the personal fashion asthetics. These costumes are just clothes (ornate clothes, but clothes).

So ideally, there'd be a range of complementary costumes, custom tailored to each CM to best suit the individual. But it's unlikely with the amount of turnover they see, that they'll invest in that kind of variety.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

In reference to Szerbiak's spoiler tag...

Welcome to my life. Where I spend much of it thinking of "ways to change society's perceptions of fat people."

Ah, the misconceptions. My screenplay (which, many of you know, is called "Yoga for Fat Girls") is a family drama about a mother, two daughters, and a granddaughter who are overweight. It's not a movie about losing weight, mind you, or obsessed particularly with the concept. First and foremost it's about these women's relationships. But underlying themes stress equal parts health-awareness and self-acceptance.

This thread has been more motivation to make this film than just about anything else.

I'll be hosting a reading of it in early February, and man, would I like to have everyone here attend. Not just because I want input and reaction before it gets sent out, but because, like SM suggests, I am striving to change society's opinions of fat people, and what better than to start with the people around me?

Also, SM, isn't that you in your profile pic? Ugly you are not. Quite attractive, for a vulcan. A lot of people in my life HAVE been physically attracted to me, not limited to emotional or mental attraction. Acknowledge societal trends but don't embrace them so.

[BarTopDancer]

:shakes head:

Wow. I cannot believe what a turn this thread took. I'll say it again. I'm utterly shocked at what's being said here. And I'm saddened. I keep opening it hoping to see the people I thought I once knew returned from the pods and this ugly judgementality gone back with the aliens.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

:shakes head:

Wow. I cannot believe what a turn this thread took. I'll say it again. I'm utterly shocked at what's being said here. And I'm saddened. I keep opening it hoping to see the people I thought I once knew returned from the pods and this ugly judgementality gone back with the aliens.

If you're talking about me, please point to the part of my last post where I was judgemental, or where I wasn't stating facts.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

If you're talking about me, please point to the part of my last post where I was judgemental, or where I wasn't stating facts.

Not just you. This whole thread has turned so ugly. If those are facts I'd like to see actual reports. If there aren't they are just your perception of what you view society to be. As for hot or not, in the grand scheme of things it's still a small percentage of society.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Psst....Klingon.....

I'd love to come to your reading!

[CoasterMatt]

Beauty is skin deep, ugly is straight to the bone...

[Ghoulish Delight]

I have yet to see someone here say they judge a person's worth by their appearance. All that's been said is that each person finds some people more attractive than others. I'm curious if someone disputes that as a fact. The other thing being said is that there's a generic set of physical attributes that more people find physically attractive than not. Perhaps that's in dispute, but it's going a bit far to call either of those statements particularly "judgemental" in the sense that it would indicate the person judges an individual's worth by their appearance. They are simply generalizations of societal phenomenon used to further a discussion on the motivations a company might have to hire for perceived attractiveness.

[Alex]

Well, I think suggesting that being fat makes you less worthy of unskilled entery level grunt labor at a theme park skirts into that territory.

[€uroMeinke]

Going back to the original assertion of "Disneyland is changing their costumes becasue CMs are too fat." I think Disneyland was misguided in thinking that dress size and a scale can be used to measure beauty.

Likewise, I think that anyone that thinks Disneyland should keep to this practice under cover of "societal norms" is similarly misguided.

On the other hand, not wanting to be a Disney appologist, I am hoping that Disney is broadening it's perception of "what is attractive" in changing their hiering and costuming practices despite the cynical crtics out there.

Of course, I have yet to see the new costumes - and I'll be very dissappointed if they end up being differently themed polo shirts and non-descript unisex slacks.