Tookie Williams denied clemency - Page 3

Name · 12-12-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

They did that once. It was called America.

I think you mean Australia.....

wendybeth · 12-12-2005, 07:51 PM

Both, actually.

Kevy Baby · 12-12-2005, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

(is there some reason the U.S. is alone with, who? Korea, Iran and their ilk as still having the d.p. in this day and age?)

Countries with the death penalty:

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I find the timing of this prominent gangster execution very interesting on a personal level, as today was the day that the two gangsters who paralyzed my nephew in a school drive-by were each sentenced to 120 years -to- life in prison. It was a highly charged, emotional court hearing, much moreso than I exepected. There was gang violence over the sentence just outside the courtroom that had to be broken up by the baliffs, and my entire family was escorted from the courthouse by a cadre of sheriffs.

I heard about that on the way home and thought about you. I am sorry that this continues to be such a trauma for you and your family.

€uroMeinke · 12-12-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Countries with the death penalty:

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

And what great company to be in

Alex · 12-12-2005, 08:11 PM

Actually, it wasn't so much America as Georgia.

Like I said, I support the death penalty in theory but not in practice. It has nothing to do with revenge or closure or comfort. I just think there are acts that are so heinous that removal from the human race is the appropriate response.

But I have no problem with the many people who think otherwise.

In reality I don't think the death penalty is a sentence that can be consistently and accurately applied and therefore it is like using toothpaste as lube, it works in theory but not so much in practice.

Nothing I've seen indicates that Williams deserves clemency for the facts of this individual. That said, I'd applaud long and loud if the governor pulled an Illionois and commuted ALL the death penalty sentences.

Name · 12-12-2005, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Sweet, all those third world countries.....

Not Afraid · 12-12-2005, 07:16 PM

He's home without incident - and he brought burgers even!

Mousey Girl · 12-13-2005, 01:46 AM

It is done.

Boss Radio · 12-13-2005, 03:50 AM

Whatever.

Now all the big-hearted celebrities can go back to their mansions after grandstanding to the cameras, leaving the clean-up to the T-shirt gypsies, while we brace for the inevitable martyr marketing machine that will shower us with Tookie R.I.P. clothing and talking Tookie Furbys (Gangs are bad! Put down that gun and pick up a book!)

Perhaps Scott Peterson can take heed and release a coloring book called “Killing Pregnant Ladies is Bad”, and then maybe, just maybe, he can get clemency because he’s turned over a new leaf.

And good old Charlie Manson can pen a Pop-Up Book warning the dangers of listening to the White Album with a group of drug-addled followers who obey your every command: (Killing is wrong, even if you think the Beatles told you to.)

The victims all might have gone on to write award-winning children’s books, but they didn’t get that extra 25 years to follow that dream. They got dead instead.

The Death Penalty is far from perfect. The system is inherently flawed, as are the people who make it run. But, and it is always a but, there needs to be the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime.

Personally, I’d much rather see taxpayer money go towards community outreach to help out the next generation of underprivileged kids, than to watch it go toward three squares a day, computer access, exercise equipment and medical resources on lifers. Let them generate their own power on treadmills, let them grow and prepare their own food. If the food runs out, they can eat each other.

But that's just my opinion.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-13-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss Radio

Personally, I’d much rather see taxpayer money go towards community outreach to help out the next generation of underprivileged kids, than to watch it go toward three squares a day, computer access, exercise equipment and medical resources on lifers. Let them generate their own power on treadmills, let them grow and prepare their own food. If the food runs out, they can eat each other.

But that's just my opinion.

The cost of getting someone executed far outpaces the cost of life in prison due to the lengthy and expensive appeals process. And because of the finality of the deed, that lengthy and expensive appeals process is a necessity. If you're going to put someone to death, you damn well better make sure you're right about their guilt. As such, it can neither be an effective deterrent (by the time it happens, it's so far removed from the crime), it does nothing to ease the pain of the vicitims' families (study after study has shown this), it's not a cost effective solution (see above), and even with the most stringent appeals process carries the risk of killing an innocent person.

It is the law as it stands, and I have not seen anything that suggest to me that Tookie Williams deserves exemption from that law, so I'm not surprised or upset about Arnold's decission not to grant clemency. But the death penalty needs to go.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Actually, it wasn't so much America as Georgia. Like I said, I support the death penalty in theory but not in practice. It has nothing to do with revenge or closure or comfort. I just think there are acts that are so heinous that removal from the human race is the appropriate response. But I have no problem with the many people who think otherwise. In reality I don't think the death penalty is a sentence that can be consistently and accurately applied and therefore it is like using toothpaste as lube, it works in theory but not so much in practice. Nothing I've seen indicates that Williams deserves clemency for the facts of this individual. That said, I'd applaud long and loud if the governor pulled an Illionois and commuted ALL the death penalty sentences.
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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	He's home without incident - and he brought burgers even!
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Boss Radio The Littlest Hobo Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hobo Junction Posts: 393	Whatever. Now all the big-hearted celebrities can go back to their mansions after grandstanding to the cameras, leaving the clean-up to the T-shirt gypsies, while we brace for the inevitable martyr marketing machine that will shower us with Tookie R.I.P. clothing and talking Tookie Furbys (Gangs are bad! Put down that gun and pick up a book!) Perhaps Scott Peterson can take heed and release a coloring book called “Killing Pregnant Ladies is Bad”, and then maybe, just maybe, he can get clemency because he’s turned over a new leaf. And good old Charlie Manson can pen a Pop-Up Book warning the dangers of listening to the White Album with a group of drug-addled followers who obey your every command: (Killing is wrong, even if you think the Beatles told you to.) The victims all might have gone on to write award-winning children’s books, but they didn’t get that extra 25 years to follow that dream. They got dead instead. The Death Penalty is far from perfect. The system is inherently flawed, as are the people who make it run. But, and it is always a but, there needs to be the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime. Personally, I’d much rather see taxpayer money go towards community outreach to help out the next generation of underprivileged kids, than to watch it go toward three squares a day, computer access, exercise equipment and medical resources on lifers. Let them generate their own power on treadmills, let them grow and prepare their own food. If the food runs out, they can eat each other. But that's just my opinion.
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