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scaeagles · 01-26-2006, 11:02 AM

I don't necessarily believe that our participation economically assists in propping up oppressive regimes. It has been proven that that economic embargoes does little to the government, as then the dictators take what little there is for themselves.

Cuba. North Korea. Iraq under Saddam. The people have suffered. The leaders have not.

innerSpaceman · 01-26-2006, 12:53 PM

Um, isn't it the "people" who suffer under oppressive and barbaric labor conditions, while the "leaders" (political and otherwise) do not?

scaeagles · 01-26-2006, 01:46 PM

Sure. But do the workers at an auto factory face barbaric labor conditions? I really don't know. But I can tell you for sure that restrictions on economic dealings with Cuba hasnt' hurt Castro, and likewise restrictions with North Korea hasn't hurt Kim Jong Il.

Alex · 01-26-2006, 04:11 PM

So rather than boycotts and embargoes, we should participate on the limited basis that China allows. Except for Google?

Are you similarly outraged at Yahoo and Microsoft who have been performing similarly limited duties for quite a while already? Or at Google for complying with censorshp laws in Canada and Germany that would be a violation of our basic human right to free speech here in the United States?

scaeagles · 01-26-2006, 04:25 PM

We could send construction engineers to China. Some would help with constructing dams to assist in solving their seemingly constant flooding problems, and others would assist in building political prisons and labor camps.

One is great. One is not.

So it is a case by case basis for me, and not a complete elimination of any economic dealings with the Chinese.

There are pursuits in China that I think are admirable and/or profitable. There are pursuits in China that are not. I think Google, with a slogan of "don't be evil", assisting the Chinese in government sponsored censorship with specific regards to political speech and dissent, is in and of itself evil, regardless of their position about giving info up to the US government. I find the variance to be ironic. I find the practice in China to be immoral.

I have commented on Google, and not specifically about Yahoo or MSN, because that's what's been in the news. So I commented on that.

01-26-2006, 11:02 AM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I don't necessarily believe that our participation economically assists in propping up oppressive regimes. It has been proven that that economic embargoes does little to the government, as then the dictators take what little there is for themselves. Cuba. North Korea. Iraq under Saddam. The people have suffered. The leaders have not.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Um, isn't it the "people" who suffer under oppressive and barbaric labor conditions, while the "leaders" (political and otherwise) do not?
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01-26-2006, 01:46 PM	#3
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Sure. But do the workers at an auto factory face barbaric labor conditions? I really don't know. But I can tell you for sure that restrictions on economic dealings with Cuba hasnt' hurt Castro, and likewise restrictions with North Korea hasn't hurt Kim Jong Il.
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01-26-2006, 04:11 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	So rather than boycotts and embargoes, we should participate on the limited basis that China allows. Except for Google? Are you similarly outraged at Yahoo and Microsoft who have been performing similarly limited duties for quite a while already? Or at Google for complying with censorshp laws in Canada and Germany that would be a violation of our basic human right to free speech here in the United States?
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01-26-2006, 04:25 PM	#5
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	We could send construction engineers to China. Some would help with constructing dams to assist in solving their seemingly constant flooding problems, and others would assist in building political prisons and labor camps. One is great. One is not. So it is a case by case basis for me, and not a complete elimination of any economic dealings with the Chinese. There are pursuits in China that I think are admirable and/or profitable. There are pursuits in China that are not. I think Google, with a slogan of "don't be evil", assisting the Chinese in government sponsored censorship with specific regards to political speech and dissent, is in and of itself evil, regardless of their position about giving info up to the US government. I find the variance to be ironic. I find the practice in China to be immoral. I have commented on Google, and not specifically about Yahoo or MSN, because that's what's been in the news. So I commented on that.
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