This is some sort of sick joke, right?

[Ponine]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Hmmm, why is it that when my bf wears stuff that makes him look great, I just feel like I want him to remove it??

I think thats just the way it works with the object of one's desire.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And I kept trying to take it off you to see something else.


Hmmm, why is it that when my bf wears stuff that makes him look great, I just feel like I want him to remove it??

Ahhhh, but that is the power of great fashion! It takes a real need for me to want to rip the ugly sweats off of a man. And, we're talking need as in YEARS.

[innerSpaceman]

mousepod, your point about the Shag map is well taken. Of course, the $400 one is a wall map. But let's assume the same map, sold in small size, is $80. Its value is clearly greater than that of the free turnstile-crossing map because it is designed by a famed artist, whose style is appreciated by the buyer.

zapppop is right about the rhinestone-encrusted $2 Target T. That's not art (in our opinion), while Shag's map is.


By all means, let's have different opinions about what is art, what is not, what is stylish, and what is foolish. We may all be cool folks, but when our opinions do not differ about anything ... discussion gets pretty boring.

[mousepod]

Zapppop,

I think we're arguing semantics here.

If you bought it thinking it was one thing and it turned out to be something different, it's a rip off.

I'm fairly certain that the people who spend this kind of money on clothing know enough to understand what they're paying for.

If the thread was about how ugly the new shirts were, I would understand. I think that lots of things are ugly and I'm not shy about sharing my opinion.

I think I bristle at the comparison of a "fashion" shirt to a "souvenir" shirt or even a "Target" shirt in the terms of construction or utility. When someone uses those terms, it's a cheap argument (forgive the pun), as was my post above which questions the value of a $400 piece of paper with a reproduction of a drawing that's readily viewable for free on the internet.

I see it as reverse-snobbism in the guise of consumer advocacy. But that's me.

[Isaac]

Mousepod:

I definitely think the shirts are ugly. Even if these particular shirts were sold for a fraction of their asking price (ex: $10), I still wouldn't buy them or recommend them. The actual designs are not too appealing to me. On a creative level, the look of the shirts are so mediocre and uninspired. It's as if all the designer had in mind was to plop a photo & rhinestones on a tshirt. I've always perceived 'high fashion' to be more creative. So when I saw the pricetag that only further turned me away from those clothes. I don't know everything about clothes but to me an uninspired shirt is not high fashion and not worth my money.

[mousepod]

Hey Zapp -

I agree with you. Personally, I think that much of the stuff is ugly, too.

and iSm,
for the record, I don't get Shag as a "famed artist" any more than I "got" LeRoy Neiman, Pat Nagel or Peter Max. If I think that slapping a reproduction of a popular graphic artist on a piece of paper or apparel is a ridiculous justification for asking a premium, I might ask those who appreciate it why they enjoy it, rather than calling it a "sick joke". And don't even get me started on serigraphs and sericels...

["Limited edition 500 serigraph. Retail value: $7500. Your price: only $4400!"]

[Isaac]

Originally Posted by mousepod

["Limited edition 500 serigraph. Retail value: $7500. Your price: only $4400!"]

Gag!

That's one thing I'd never buy! I prefer classic Mickey (of the 20's & 30's) to contemporary Mickey, but even if the drawings were more retro I'd still hold onto my money.

[Alex]

On one of the side topics, I too used to be intimidated about going to the gym because I assumed that everybody was laughing at me (on the inside at least).

Then when I really started to get fat I started paying for a private trainer and was at the gym all the time with my trainer (in the Lou Ferrigno body type, not the Bruce Jenner type). So this bought me honorary membership into the muscle-bound portion of the membership (though I never got as thin as I wanted I did get a lot stronger). Anyway, it was interesting to see how they interacted with the gym:

Namely they give not a fvck what other people are wearing (and the true gym rats wear some of the most appaling stuff in the world). If they bitch about you it will be because you're hogging machines or weights. If they laugh at you it will be because they know you're putting a lot of effort into a pointless (or harmful) exercise (though more often they'll offer suggestions if you seem remotely open to it).

So, if you dress up for the gym don't do it because you're afraid of what all the muscly men will think. I have no idea if the other women are paying more attention.

I remember one time years ago I was driving somewhere and a very large woman was running (or rather, waddling) around Lake Merritt in Oakland. She was bouncing in 150 directions at once. I'll admit to an initial impulse to point and laugh a little but then I thought "hey, at least she's out there running. You're driving 10 blocks to the grocery store to buy milk." I've never had an urge to condescend in this way again.

Honestly, among the fittest members of the gym I found this to be the almost universal attitude. "At least s/he's here and I hope she sticks with it. Good for him/her."

Here's why I cringed whenever a woman in full make-up came in. Not because she was made-up but because I knew there was a 50% chance she wouldn't use towels and I'd be wiping face make-up off various machines before I could use them.

[MouseWife]

I'm sorry for dragging this up again but Alex hit on exactly what I meant.

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

On one of the side topics, I too used to be intimidated about going to the gym because I assumed that everybody was laughing at me (on the inside at least).

Namely they give not a fvck what other people are wearing (and the true gym rats wear some of the most appaling stuff in the world).

So, if you dress up for the gym don't do it because you're afraid of what all the muscly men will think. I have no idea if the other women are paying more attention.

I'll admit to an initial impulse to point and laugh a little but then I thought "hey, at least she's out there running. "

Honestly, among the fittest members of the gym I found this to be the almost universal attitude. "At least s/he's here and I hope she sticks with it. Good for him/her."

Here's why I cringed whenever a woman in full make-up came in. Not because she was made-up but because I knew there was a 50% chance she wouldn't use towels and I'd be wiping face make-up off various machines before I could use them.

This is what I wanted to know. If my wearing black whatever pants with t's or tank tops puts out that I don't care about my workout. Comparing it to dressing appropriately for 'work'.

And, I do try to look my best always, but, not to the point where I get 'dolled up' to work out. I think you can look good without being 'done'.

Also, I give everyone good mojo for being out there and doing it.

And, sweat on the equipment is gross.

Back to the topic, I don't judge people by what they spend on anything, be it a little or a lot. That is their business. Mine is mine. My opinion was that I wouldn't spend that much for a t-shirt. I didn't dig on the location of their display but I understand they wanted them out there to catch everyones attention. Again, I am thinking from a parents point of view. People here are thinking from their own standards, probably not in having a whiney teenager wanting one. I wouldn't get them one either. But, my kids ask for electronics, not clothing.

LOL Well, while that is cute about wanting to remove the clothing off of your hot one, back to Lisa saying 'I dress for myself' I would definitely expect someone to have patience while I enjoyed it on me for a while first...

Was that post all over?

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by MouseWife

This is what I wanted to know. If my wearing black whatever pants with t's or tank tops puts out that I don't care about my workout.

Do you think it does? I think black whatever pants and a t or tank puts out "I don't care if I get sweaty working out because these are my workout clothes". Where as most of the outfits I see the women wearing say "eww I don't want to get sweaty, just look good".