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Ghoulish Delight · 03-31-2006, 07:45 PM

Banning flag clothing is ridiculous, I'd vocally oppose that.

As for the punishment of burning the Mexican flag vs. taking down the American flag...I'd expect some sort of discipline (suspension?) for tampering with school property for the kids who took the flag down...but to compare that to the rather wreckless behavior of starting a fire on campus (no matter what the fuel was) and expect the same punishment? Hardly.

scaeagles · 03-31-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

As for the punishment of burning the Mexican flag vs. taking down the American flag...I'd expect some sort of discipline (suspension?) for tampering with school property for the kids who took the flag down...but to compare that to the rather wreckless behavior of starting a fire on campus (no matter what the fuel was) and expect the same punishment? Hardly.

Honestly, in the current environment of the protests and tensions at present, I would considering that as attempting to incite a riot. What did the students who did this expect to happen?

And I need to make a correction. The news report I heard has been corrected, and the kid was suspended, not expelled.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-31-2006, 08:07 PM

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Honestly, in the current environment of the protests and tensions at present, I would considering that as attempting to incite a riot. What did the students who did this expect to happen?

Starting a fire still seems like a significantly worse offense than taking a flag down.

innerSpaceman · 03-31-2006, 08:34 PM

All the more praise for the kids in L.A. who walked-out en masse with little incident ... and for the half-million or more in our Grande Marcha who protested uber-peacefully.

I think that School Superindent in Phoenix is the one throwing fuel on the fire now. That ban on flag-image clothing is just going to escalate the tensions. Frankly, as bad as flag-burning is, I would have played down the entire incident with little more than a wrist-slap for all participants under these tense circumstances.

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Kevy Baby · 04-01-2006, 04:25 PM

Hmmm... posted at 7:34 p.m. Friday, edited at 6:14 a.m. Saturday. I wonder what needed to be changed 11 hours after-the-fact?

innerSpaceman · 04-02-2006, 11:56 AM

"Frankly, bad as flag-burning is" vs. Frankly, as bad as flag-burning is"

I just added an "as." I thought it was a typo, but I know see the sentence sort of reads correctly either way.

99% of my edits are to correct grammar or NotAfraid-style typographical errors.

I do not use my vast moderator editing powers to change history.

Prudence · 04-02-2006, 02:57 PM

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scaeagles · 04-04-2006, 06:36 PM

A little more info on the Mexican flag burning incident. For the purposes of clarification, the whole event took place with the flag pole in front of the ROTC building at the high school.

I honestly cannot believe this, but the kid (only 16) who burned the flag is being charged with felony arson as an adult. Misdeamor mischief I could buy. But felony arson? I am flabbergasted. If convicted, he will never vote, and will not be permitted to serve in the US military, his goal after graduation.

I am hoping that this is just a ploy by whomever decided to charge him with this to get him to plead to a much lesser offense, such as a misdemeanor. I hope the judge throws this case out should it go to court this way. I am no lawyer, so I suppose I don't know what makes felony arson.

While I was not able to go to the protest organized on Monday, I have contributed to his legal defense fund.

SacTown Chronic · 04-04-2006, 06:59 PM

Lotsa felonies are committed by otherwise decent people caught up in the heat of the moment. Most of them don't benefit from a public outpouring of support. This kid's lucky -- the notoriety of his case will prevent him from getting railroaded into being a convicted felon. A hand-slap misdemeanor is in his future. Which, imo, is all the punishment his actions warrant.

innerSpaceman · 04-05-2006, 10:15 AM

While I don't agree with the severity of the charge, I can hardly be supportive of someone's goal to join the military if they - heat of the moment or not - see fit to burn another nation's flag.

Oh, I have no illusions it's not the miscreant, xenophobic haters who are attracted to military service, but I have no qualms about eliminating their eligibility - one a a time, if necessary.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Banning flag clothing is ridiculous, I'd vocally oppose that. As for the punishment of burning the Mexican flag vs. taking down the American flag...I'd expect some sort of discipline (suspension?) for tampering with school property for the kids who took the flag down...but to compare that to the rather wreckless behavior of starting a fire on campus (no matter what the fuel was) and expect the same punishment? Hardly. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	All the more praise for the kids in L.A. who walked-out en masse with little incident ... and for the half-million or more in our Grande Marcha who protested uber-peacefully. I think that School Superindent in Phoenix is the one throwing fuel on the fire now. That ban on flag-image clothing is just going to escalate the tensions. Frankly, as bad as flag-burning is, I would have played down the entire incident with little more than a wrist-slap for all participants under these tense circumstances. . Last edited by innerSpaceman : 04-01-2006 at 07:14 AM.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	"Frankly, bad as flag-burning is" vs. Frankly, as bad as flag-burning is" I just added an "as." I thought it was a typo, but I know see the sentence sort of reads correctly either way. 99% of my edits are to correct grammar or NotAfraid-style typographical errors. I do not use my vast moderator editing powers to change history.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	A little more info on the Mexican flag burning incident. For the purposes of clarification, the whole event took place with the flag pole in front of the ROTC building at the high school. I honestly cannot believe this, but the kid (only 16) who burned the flag is being charged with felony arson as an adult. Misdeamor mischief I could buy. But felony arson? I am flabbergasted. If convicted, he will never vote, and will not be permitted to serve in the US military, his goal after graduation. I am hoping that this is just a ploy by whomever decided to charge him with this to get him to plead to a much lesser offense, such as a misdemeanor. I hope the judge throws this case out should it go to court this way. I am no lawyer, so I suppose I don't know what makes felony arson. While I was not able to go to the protest organized on Monday, I have contributed to his legal defense fund.
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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Lotsa felonies are committed by otherwise decent people caught up in the heat of the moment. Most of them don't benefit from a public outpouring of support. This kid's lucky -- the notoriety of his case will prevent him from getting railroaded into being a convicted felon. A hand-slap misdemeanor is in his future. Which, imo, is all the punishment his actions warrant. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	While I don't agree with the severity of the charge, I can hardly be supportive of someone's goal to join the military if they - heat of the moment or not - see fit to burn another nation's flag. Oh, I have no illusions it's not the miscreant, xenophobic haters who are attracted to military service, but I have no qualms about eliminating their eligibility - one a a time, if necessary.
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