The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 510

Alex · 12-17-2009, 03:06 PM

All kidding aside about what is in the bill, I must say that I'm mostly on Nate Silver's side that it is better to take it and then start working on improving rather than any attempt to start over.

I am surprised by the number of people who seem to be surprised that "Democrat" does not 100% overlap with "Netroots Progressive".

Ghoulish Delight · 12-17-2009, 03:10 PM

Oh, I agree. And I never expected total reform to my liking to have come out of this first step. It's just that with the Democratic majority and general support of the public, it seemed like they were poised to take more than the absolute bare minimum step towards the end point of real, substantive reform. I expected things to slide back from the ambitious first drafts, but seeing them slide back this far is frustrating and does not bode well for the future pace of improvement.

mousepod · 12-17-2009, 06:41 PM

Bravo, sir.

scaeagles · 12-18-2009, 06:20 AM

General support of the public? Are you reading the same polls I'm reading?

56% oppose, 40% support

I think perhaps the issue is that many do not see this as a first step toward improvement.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-18-2009, 08:24 AM

Support has slipped as the process has dragged on and the bill has been compromised into nothingness. But yes, I maintain that when the process started it had the general support of the public.

ETA: That's also a poll that measures support for this specific plan, not support for reform in general. Different question.

scaeagles · 12-18-2009, 08:41 AM

Oh, I agree that in general people want reform. I want reform. But nothing even close to what is being offered.

BarTopDancer · 12-18-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Oh, I agree that in general people want reform. I want reform. But nothing even close to what is being offered.

What kind of reform do you want? What's your solution?

scaeagles · 12-18-2009, 09:42 AM

This has been asked of me many, many times. I like many of the things discussed on the Heritage Foundation. The ideas are not all unique to them. They include opening insurance options across state lines to increase competition, medical savings accounts, tort reform, and other ideas.

JWBear · 12-18-2009, 09:54 AM

In other words, pretty much business as usual. Those who can afford insurance get medical treatment; those that can't are SOL.

Prudence · 12-18-2009, 09:54 AM

Frankly, the option most people want is the one that will keep everyone else from getting "free" care (because the masses are obviously a bunch of freeloaders and wouldn't be sick in the first place if they were decent human beings who had earned God's favor) but be available for them to take advantage of if they need it (because they have made valuable contributions to society and their illnesses are merely Job-like trials that God uses to test the loyalty of His favorites, and therefore actually a sign of decent, God-fearing living.)

12-17-2009, 03:06 PM	#1
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	All kidding aside about what is in the bill, I must say that I'm mostly on Nate Silver's side that it is better to take it and then start working on improving rather than any attempt to start over. I am surprised by the number of people who seem to be surprised that "Democrat" does not 100% overlap with "Netroots Progressive".
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Oh, I agree. And I never expected total reform to my liking to have come out of this first step. It's just that with the Democratic majority and general support of the public, it seemed like they were poised to take more than the absolute bare minimum step towards the end point of real, substantive reform. I expected things to slide back from the ambitious first drafts, but seeing them slide back this far is frustrating and does not bode well for the future pace of improvement. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-17-2009, 06:41 PM	#3
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	Bravo, sir. __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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12-18-2009, 06:20 AM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	General support of the public? Are you reading the same polls I'm reading? 56% oppose, 40% support I think perhaps the issue is that many do not see this as a first step toward improvement.
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12-18-2009, 08:24 AM	#5
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Support has slipped as the process has dragged on and the bill has been compromised into nothingness. But yes, I maintain that when the process started it had the general support of the public. ETA: That's also a poll that measures support for this specific plan, not support for reform in general. Different question. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-18-2009, 08:41 AM	#6
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Oh, I agree that in general people want reform. I want reform. But nothing even close to what is being offered.
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12-18-2009, 09:42 AM	#8
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	This has been asked of me many, many times. I like many of the things discussed on the Heritage Foundation. The ideas are not all unique to them. They include opening insurance options across state lines to increase competition, medical savings accounts, tort reform, and other ideas.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	In other words, pretty much business as usual. Those who can afford insurance get medical treatment; those that can't are SOL. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	Frankly, the option most people want is the one that will keep everyone else from getting "free" care (because the masses are obviously a bunch of freeloaders and wouldn't be sick in the first place if they were decent human beings who had earned God's favor) but be available for them to take advantage of if they need it (because they have made valuable contributions to society and their illnesses are merely Job-like trials that God uses to test the loyalty of His favorites, and therefore actually a sign of decent, God-fearing living.) __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
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