Could you forgive someone who shot you? - Page 4

tracilicious · 04-14-2006, 01:37 PM

Yes, I agree. I often do the same thing. I'm really not that grateful that the bag person at the grocery store bagged up my stuff. They did get paid to do so. I still say thank you though, as it's the societally acceptable thing to do.

innerSpaceman · 04-14-2006, 05:35 PM

Yeah, I don't get any lack of free will from the philosophical conversation snippet. € indicated the reasons for it quite well. And I wonder how Alex has the free will to decide he has no free will?

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I can't speak for a little paralyzed girl. I can't speak my my gunshot paralyzed nephew. But I can speak for my gunshot nephew's shellshocked uncle ... and forgiveness for such a thing (done quite on purpose in this particular case) will not be anything I'm likely ever to experience. It's been three years ... and if I'm not movin' on yet, I don't see how I'm ever going to.

Alex · 04-14-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And I wonder how Alex has the free will to decide he has no free will?

I don't, any more than you do to decide that you do have free will.

However, I don't contest that of us perceives what we do as the result of free will. But I'm guessing if a rock were conscious and you threw it up into the air it would think it returned to the ground because it wanted to.

tracilicious · 04-14-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I don't, any more than you do to decide that you do have free will.

However, I don't contest that of us perceives what we do as the result of free will. But I'm guessing if a rock were conscious and you threw it up into the air it would think it returned to the ground because it wanted to.

I'm curious then, what you attribute the decisions we make to.

Alex · 04-14-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious

I'm curious then, what you attribute the decisions we make to.

Physics. To what do you attribute the decision of water to flow downhill?

tracilicious · 04-14-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Physics. To what do you attribute the decision of water to flow downhill?

Lol, I read psychics first and it took me a minute to figure out. Water isn't conscious in the same way we are though. (And no, I don't believe water to be completely unconscious.) Tonight when I choose between eating steak or salad, in what way does physics come into play? (Also not being snarky, just very interested.)

Nephythys · 04-14-2006, 05:55 PM

Is it harder because it was deliberate? Or is that not the issue?

tracilicious · 04-14-2006, 06:00 PM

I think for myself, I would have an easier time forgiving something that was done to me than something that was done to a loved one. I don't see forgiveness in the foreseeable future for the man that started beating my niece at six weeks old, but I could probably forgive an idiot that fired a gun and accidentally shot me.

I think intent has a large part to do with ease of forgiveness.

LSPoorEeyorick · 04-14-2006, 06:09 PM

Yeah. I try to get my mind around the Stroup but he always eludes me.

You're an atheist. You believe we aren't making choices. Who or what IS making the choices, Alex?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I just want to understand where you're coming from.

LSPoorEeyorick · 04-14-2006, 06:13 PM

Also, and I meant to say this before:

If someone who shot me mistook me for a quail, I'd forgive him, but I'd demand his resignation from public office.

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04-14-2006, 01:37 PM	#1
tracilicious avatar transition Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in-between Posts: 2,487	Yes, I agree. I often do the same thing. I'm really not that grateful that the bag person at the grocery store bagged up my stuff. They did get paid to do so. I still say thank you though, as it's the societally acceptable thing to do. __________________ And now Harry, let us step into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure! - Albus Dumbledore
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, I don't get any lack of free will from the philosophical conversation snippet. € indicated the reasons for it quite well. And I wonder how Alex has the free will to decide he has no free will? * * * * I can't speak for a little paralyzed girl. I can't speak my my gunshot paralyzed nephew. But I can speak for my gunshot nephew's shellshocked uncle ... and forgiveness for such a thing (done quite on purpose in this particular case) will not be anything I'm likely ever to experience. It's been three years ... and if I'm not movin' on yet, I don't see how I'm ever going to.
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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Is it harder because it was deliberate? Or is that not the issue?
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04-14-2006, 06:00 PM	#8
tracilicious avatar transition Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in-between Posts: 2,487	I think for myself, I would have an easier time forgiving something that was done to me than something that was done to a loved one. I don't see forgiveness in the foreseeable future for the man that started beating my niece at six weeks old, but I could probably forgive an idiot that fired a gun and accidentally shot me. I think intent has a large part to do with ease of forgiveness. __________________ And now Harry, let us step into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure! - Albus Dumbledore
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LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Yeah. I try to get my mind around the Stroup but he always eludes me. You're an atheist. You believe we aren't making choices. Who or what IS making the choices, Alex? I'm not trying to be snarky, I just want to understand where you're coming from.
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04-14-2006, 06:13 PM	#10
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Also, and I meant to say this before: If someone who shot me mistook me for a quail, I'd forgive him, but I'd demand his resignation from public office.
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