Gay Marriage Ban Approved - Page 4

innerSpaceman · 05-20-2006, 08:25 AM

Um, that's not my point. It's not that the fact that some straights may be in favor of gay marriage that negates it being a "gay" agenda, but the fact that far too many homos are against it. Calling it a "gay" agenda implies that it's a universal homosexual endeavor.

Oh, rational people may not see it that way ... but for those who do use "agenda" as a perjorative, that's what they are trying to put forth. It's why the "Dear valued Homosexual" notice GD posted above is funny. If there were no truth in the phobes meaning to suggest a universal gay agenda, there would be no comedy in refuting it.

Alex · 05-20-2006, 10:29 AM

I acknowledged in my post that not all gays are in support of it. But far more women were opposed to getitng the vote than gays opposed to the abolishment of sodomy laws and yet there was still a woman's movement and it had an agenda. The feminist agenda doesn't go away just because 40% of women aren't on board.

innerSpaceman · 05-21-2006, 07:44 AM

Well, perhaps it was more aptly described as a feminist agenda, or more specifically (for the vote issue) - a suffragette agenda. I never once heard it called a "womens" agenda. And, since it wasn't, I found that worked out quite well.

So Gay Agenda will continue to bug. It's flat-out inaccurate, and has no analogue in modern history.

Nephythys · 05-22-2006, 07:11 AM

To deny that individuals in any group of people- including gay people- have no agenda is naive and appears to be willful ignorance. Of course they do- as much as any other group that wants their views and ideas accepted more broadly than they are.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-22-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

To deny that individuals in any group of people- including gay people- have no agenda is naive and appears to be willful ignorance.

To imply that one knows the agenda of a group of people when there's no stated agenda also appears to be willful ignorance.

I doubt anyone would deny that yes, there is some nebulous set of goals shared by a large number of gay people. Freedom from discrimination, equality of treatment, etc. But too many people talk of "The Gay Agenda" as if it's some publish list of moral corruptions that all gay people ascribe to and would like to see happen in America. As if there's some organized effort to turn school children gay.

CoasterMatt · 05-22-2006, 07:29 AM

I'm sure I'll get hell for this, but I don't mind; I think that the Military/Industrial Complex is the closest analogy to "The Gay Agenda" - tons of people just don't or won't admit that it exists.

"The Gay Agenda" just sounds so much swankier, though - certainly more fashionable, and maybe even entertaining.

scaeagles · 05-22-2006, 07:45 AM

The same could be said of any "agenda". The Agenda of the Christian Right, for example. Would you (generic you) say there is no agenda there? There are goals that a lot of the Christian Right have in common, but many disagreements as to the way to achieve those goals . Many goals are not common. Yet there is the mysterious agenda of the Christian Right.

Nephythys · 05-22-2006, 07:54 AM

yes, and as a Christian I don't have a printed copy of the "agenda" but I know it exists-

Damn the irony of a two way street huh?

innerSpaceman · 05-22-2006, 09:30 AM

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yes, and as a Christian I don't have a printed copy of the "agenda" but I know it exists-

It doesn't take much bait to snare me today. And I am saying flat out that anyone who alleges that there is in fact a "Gay Agenda" is going to be baiting me.

You can be free to "disagree," and I will feel free to jump all over it.

Nephythys · 05-22-2006, 08:42 PM

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It doesn't take much bait to snare me today. And I am saying flat out that anyone who alleges that there is in fact a "Gay Agenda" is going to be baiting me.

You can be free to "disagree," and I will feel free to jump all over it.

Yeah- I feel fairly secure in that knowledge. As usual I appreciate your candor- you never disappoint.

I do not think there is a gay agenda shared by all people in the gay community- I do feel there are pockets of people though who certainly do- and that goes for any group.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Um, that's not my point. It's not that the fact that some straights may be in favor of gay marriage that negates it being a "gay" agenda, but the fact that far too many homos are against it. Calling it a "gay" agenda implies that it's a universal homosexual endeavor. Oh, rational people may not see it that way ... but for those who do use "agenda" as a perjorative, that's what they are trying to put forth. It's why the "Dear valued Homosexual" notice GD posted above is funny. If there were no truth in the phobes meaning to suggest a universal gay agenda, there would be no comedy in refuting it.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I acknowledged in my post that not all gays are in support of it. But far more women were opposed to getitng the vote than gays opposed to the abolishment of sodomy laws and yet there was still a woman's movement and it had an agenda. The feminist agenda doesn't go away just because 40% of women aren't on board.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, perhaps it was more aptly described as a feminist agenda, or more specifically (for the vote issue) - a suffragette agenda. I never once heard it called a "womens" agenda. And, since it wasn't, I found that worked out quite well. So Gay Agenda will continue to bug. It's flat-out inaccurate, and has no analogue in modern history.
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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	To deny that individuals in any group of people- including gay people- have no agenda is naive and appears to be willful ignorance. Of course they do- as much as any other group that wants their views and ideas accepted more broadly than they are.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	The same could be said of any "agenda". The Agenda of the Christian Right, for example. Would you (generic you) say there is no agenda there? There are goals that a lot of the Christian Right have in common, but many disagreements as to the way to achieve those goals . Many goals are not common. Yet there is the mysterious agenda of the Christian Right.
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05-22-2006, 07:54 AM	#8
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	yes, and as a Christian I don't have a printed copy of the "agenda" but I know it exists- Damn the irony of a two way street huh?
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