Miscellaneous Movie Musings - Page 338

mousepod · 06-24-2008, 08:56 AM

I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma was also shot in two different aspect ratios. Without looking it up, I seem to remember that one was the novel "Todd-AO".

Gemini Cricket · 06-24-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mousepod

I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma was also shot in two different aspect ratios. Without looking it up, I seem to remember that one was the novel "Todd-AO".

Yes, I saw a doco where they showed both side by side for a couple of scenes. Now I'm wondering which version of SBFSB I have...

LSPoorEeyorick · 06-24-2008, 09:54 AM

Boy, I just don't like 7 for 7... I can't get through it. But I do enjoy a good production of Oklahoma! - and I can recommend one heartily; the Hugh Jackman version (we saw it through Great Performances on PBS) was full of nuance and complexity. And he was incredible - I knew he started in theater, but I had no idea just how terrific he was. I enjoy the movie well enough, too.

West Side occupies a big squishy area of my heart. It practically wears a bib that says Baby's First Sondheim. Lyrics, at least - and the awesome "Quintet," which, as Sondheim is wont to do, layers the musicality of several perspectives. He did it for "Rose's Turn," too. Which reminds me: I like Gypsy, with the sole exception of "Little Lamb." What a dumb song that is.

I love musicals. During my teenage years I listened to little else. But I was strongly into the modern ones. Sondheim, obviously, but also Michael John LaChiusa, Andrew Lippa, Jonathan Larson, Ahrens/Flaherty... I've recently been getting into them a bit more, so I think I'll have to pull my gigantic box of musical CDs out of storage.

flippyshark · 06-24-2008, 10:17 AM

Todd-AO was indeed the alternate version on Oklahoma. It is said that the Todd-AO version was shot on all the first takes, and the more widely distributed PanaVision was comprised of later takes, hence the Todd-AO has more vitality of performance, and in some cases, better sunlight.

The Todd-AO process involved shooting at a higher frame rate (30 frames per second instead of 24 fps). This version made its video debut on laserdisc some years back. Because the frame rate is virtually identical to the NTSC 29.97 fps, watching Oklahoma this way, the image sometimes looks more like video than film. This transfer was used for an initial DVD release back the in 90s, but it's a terrible transfer. The frame rate makes certain parts of the image pop, but overall, it is soft, fuzzy and lacking in detail.

There is a much newer two disc DVD release with an awesomely bright and clear remaster of the Panavision release, and on the second disc, the Todd-AO, but it seems to be the same dreadful transfer, or one not very much better. It's a shame, because that would be the version to watch, if it were given a sufficient remaster.

innerSpaceman · 06-24-2008, 10:32 AM

I don't think I've ever seen the Panavision version of Oklahoma. Now I want to watch both, and see if one suffers from the craptasticness that affects the standard aspect version of 7 Brides.

LSPE ... Oi, I wish I'd never read you can't make it thru Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I'm trying so hard to have you not be dead to me, because I love you so much.

(BTW, Caleb and Daniel were the gay brothers. Pfft, while the others were sleeping with sheep, they had better ideas!)

mousepod · 06-24-2008, 10:39 AM

Another version of Seven Brides...

NSFNA

Chernabog · 06-26-2008, 02:43 PM

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NSFNA

Does this mean Not Safe For Not Afraid?

Not Afraid · 06-26-2008, 10:31 PM

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Another version of Seven Brides...

NSFNA

ARGH! I clicked before Chris could warn me!!!!!

Gemini Cricket · 06-24-2008, 10:41 AM

I also hear that there is a new, hot stage version of 7 Brides that played in Massachusetts. Built guys dancing with their shirts off... Nice. Maybe I moved away too soon!

Morrigoon · 06-24-2008, 12:01 PM

Umm... this is an original YouTube genre mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkT8...eature=related

06-24-2008, 08:56 AM	#1
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	I'm pretty sure that Oklahoma was also shot in two different aspect ratios. Without looking it up, I seem to remember that one was the novel "Todd-AO". __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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06-24-2008, 09:54 AM	#3
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Boy, I just don't like 7 for 7... I can't get through it. But I do enjoy a good production of Oklahoma! - and I can recommend one heartily; the Hugh Jackman version (we saw it through Great Performances on PBS) was full of nuance and complexity. And he was incredible - I knew he started in theater, but I had no idea just how terrific he was. I enjoy the movie well enough, too. West Side occupies a big squishy area of my heart. It practically wears a bib that says Baby's First Sondheim. Lyrics, at least - and the awesome "Quintet," which, as Sondheim is wont to do, layers the musicality of several perspectives. He did it for "Rose's Turn," too. Which reminds me: I like Gypsy, with the sole exception of "Little Lamb." What a dumb song that is. I love musicals. During my teenage years I listened to little else. But I was strongly into the modern ones. Sondheim, obviously, but also Michael John LaChiusa, Andrew Lippa, Jonathan Larson, Ahrens/Flaherty... I've recently been getting into them a bit more, so I think I'll have to pull my gigantic box of musical CDs out of storage.
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06-24-2008, 10:17 AM	#4
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	Todd-AO was indeed the alternate version on Oklahoma. It is said that the Todd-AO version was shot on all the first takes, and the more widely distributed PanaVision was comprised of later takes, hence the Todd-AO has more vitality of performance, and in some cases, better sunlight. The Todd-AO process involved shooting at a higher frame rate (30 frames per second instead of 24 fps). This version made its video debut on laserdisc some years back. Because the frame rate is virtually identical to the NTSC 29.97 fps, watching Oklahoma this way, the image sometimes looks more like video than film. This transfer was used for an initial DVD release back the in 90s, but it's a terrible transfer. The frame rate makes certain parts of the image pop, but overall, it is soft, fuzzy and lacking in detail. There is a much newer two disc DVD release with an awesomely bright and clear remaster of the Panavision release, and on the second disc, the Todd-AO, but it seems to be the same dreadful transfer, or one not very much better. It's a shame, because that would be the version to watch, if it were given a sufficient remaster.
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06-24-2008, 10:32 AM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I don't think I've ever seen the Panavision version of Oklahoma. Now I want to watch both, and see if one suffers from the craptasticness that affects the standard aspect version of 7 Brides. LSPE ... Oi, I wish I'd never read you can't make it thru Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I'm trying so hard to have you not be dead to me, because I love you so much. (BTW, Caleb and Daniel were the gay brothers. Pfft, while the others were sleeping with sheep, they had better ideas!)
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06-24-2008, 10:39 AM	#6
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	Another version of Seven Brides... NSFNA __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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06-24-2008, 10:41 AM	#9
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I also hear that there is a new, hot stage version of 7 Brides that played in Massachusetts. Built guys dancing with their shirts off... Nice. Maybe I moved away too soon!
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06-24-2008, 12:01 PM	#10
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Umm... this is an original YouTube genre mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkT8...eature=related __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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