POTC Johnny Refurb - Page 12

innerSpaceman · 07-02-2006, 04:29 PM

To answer scaeagles question ... yes, the things that bug me most would still bug me. The Davy Jones effect is 2-D flat and worthy of Not Afraid's traveling carnival. The music makes me feel like I'm supposed to be in a movie.

I had the same reaction the very first time I rode Phantom Manor in Paris. Where is the orchestra? Why is everything lushly scored? Am I supposed to be in a haunted house or in a movie about a haunted house?

All it takes is plausible deniability. In the original Haunted Mansion, there is creepy organ music which I can imagine eminating from the organ I see played later in the attraction. When things get more musical in orchestraion, it's because 25 animatronics are actually performing a musical number.

I suppose it's possible that there's a ghostly symphonic orchestra hidden somewhere between the walls of Phantom Manor. The music they play is indeed creepy and beautiful.

And I suppose there's a ghostly naval orchestra doomed to play strings and horns and bass and drums and flutes and tuba down in the waterlogged caverns of 18th Century New Orleans, and were already dead long before that so they can also be playing from their gig on the Spanish fort, with ethereal precognition of a movie score we all readily recognize as being composed in the 21st century some 400 years later!

Yes, even if I didn't know that a handful of irreplaceable vocal performances were removed, I would be bugged by the new Pirates of the Caribbean. It would still be better than a finger in the eye, but I would never have pegged it as the best theme park attraction ever created.

The mighty have fallen, and I pray it's only temporary.

Gemini Cricket · 07-03-2006, 08:23 AM

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I suppose it's possible that there's a ghostly symphonic orchestra hidden somewhere between the walls of Phantom Manor.

So is/was there a hidden pirate choir somewhere after the first drop and before the second one then? Just curious how this part plays in your music logic on the ride. I guess I had never really thought of it before, but it does seem like you're in a movie in Phantom Manor...

Matterhorn Fan · 07-02-2006, 05:00 PM

ML, you know you're not gonna change iSm's mind.

Just because people became accustomed to and grew to appreciate the new Fantasyland (even if they didn't like it at first) does not mean that people will/must become accustomed to and grow to appreciate every change that is made to a Disney park. I can only speak for myself here, but if I don't like something, no amount of "as long as there's imagination left in the world" and "it's not a museum" is going to make me appreciate something I don't like. Case in point: I will never, ever, like the Tiki Room Under New Management. I understand why they changed it; I accept that fewer people walk out of the show now. But I don't have to like it (and I don't have to go in)--and nobody can change my mind.

I haven't been on Pirates in FL yet (and it may be a long time before I get back to CA), and I'll make up my mind when I see it. I expect that I won't really LOVE it, and I know that if they put a monkey in there, I may never ride it again. We'll see.

MickeyLumbo · 07-02-2006, 05:08 PM

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ML, you know you're not gonna change iSm's mind.

it was not my intent to change his or anyone's mind. i respect everyone's reaction to the changes.

does it make me sad that everyone is not pleased? yes.

i have no desire to make anyone like it or change their mind. i only want all to be happy and gay

and i hope you enjoy the WDW version.

Matterhorn Fan · 07-02-2006, 05:13 PM

I hope so, too. I'm not optimistic, but then again, it's much easier to be pleasantly suprised when one's expectations are low.

There's no monkey, is there? Please say there's no monkeys in Pirates! Pretty please?

MickeyLumbo · 07-02-2006, 05:41 PM

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There's no monkey, is there? Please say there's no monkeys in Pirates! Pretty please?

I have witnessed a Sea Monkey or two.

CoasterMatt · 07-02-2006, 09:09 PM

I just wish they'd add something to toss any flash picture takers into the water...

€uroMeinke · 07-02-2006, 09:56 PM

My wish is that imaineerin once aain turns its attention into creating NEW attractions and experiences - I'm gettin tired of all the overlays and tweeks. I like Monsters, I'm looking forward to Nemo subs - I'm hoping this marks the change to the new and away from the "imporved."

MickeyLumbo · 07-02-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

My wish is that imaineerin once aain turns its attention into creating NEW attractions and experiences - I'm gettin tired of all the overlays and tweeks. I like Monsters, I'm looking forward to Nemo subs - I'm hoping this marks the change to the new and away from the "imporved."

i agreee. well moistly.

Alex · 07-03-2006, 12:42 AM

Is not Finding Nemo Subs essentially an overlay and tweak? I long held out hope that they would eventually fill in the lagoon and do something completely new. Or at least find another water-based attraction to do.

07-02-2006, 04:29 PM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	To answer scaeagles question ... yes, the things that bug me most would still bug me. The Davy Jones effect is 2-D flat and worthy of Not Afraid's traveling carnival. The music makes me feel like I'm supposed to be in a movie. I had the same reaction the very first time I rode Phantom Manor in Paris. Where is the orchestra? Why is everything lushly scored? Am I supposed to be in a haunted house or in a movie about a haunted house? All it takes is plausible deniability. In the original Haunted Mansion, there is creepy organ music which I can imagine eminating from the organ I see played later in the attraction. When things get more musical in orchestraion, it's because 25 animatronics are actually performing a musical number. I suppose it's possible that there's a ghostly symphonic orchestra hidden somewhere between the walls of Phantom Manor. The music they play is indeed creepy and beautiful. And I suppose there's a ghostly naval orchestra doomed to play strings and horns and bass and drums and flutes and tuba down in the waterlogged caverns of 18th Century New Orleans, and were already dead long before that so they can also be playing from their gig on the Spanish fort, with ethereal precognition of a movie score we all readily recognize as being composed in the 21st century some 400 years later! Yes, even if I didn't know that a handful of irreplaceable vocal performances were removed, I would be bugged by the new Pirates of the Caribbean. It would still be better than a finger in the eye, but I would never have pegged it as the best theme park attraction ever created. The mighty have fallen, and I pray it's only temporary. Last edited by innerSpaceman : 07-03-2006 at 08:18 AM.
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Matterhorn Fan Double Agent Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Back East Posts: 2,071	ML, you know you're not gonna change iSm's mind. Just because people became accustomed to and grew to appreciate the new Fantasyland (even if they didn't like it at first) does not mean that people will/must become accustomed to and grow to appreciate every change that is made to a Disney park. I can only speak for myself here, but if I don't like something, no amount of "as long as there's imagination left in the world" and "it's not a museum" is going to make me appreciate something I don't like. Case in point: I will never, ever, like the Tiki Room Under New Management. I understand why they changed it; I accept that fewer people walk out of the show now. But I don't have to like it (and I don't have to go in)--and nobody can change my mind. I haven't been on Pirates in FL yet (and it may be a long time before I get back to CA), and I'll make up my mind when I see it. I expect that I won't really LOVE it, and I know that if they put a monkey in there, I may never ride it again. We'll see.
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07-02-2006, 05:13 PM	#5
Matterhorn Fan Double Agent Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Back East Posts: 2,071	I hope so, too. I'm not optimistic, but then again, it's much easier to be pleasantly suprised when one's expectations are low. There's no monkey, is there? Please say there's no monkeys in Pirates! Pretty please?
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	My wish is that imaineerin once aain turns its attention into creating NEW attractions and experiences - I'm gettin tired of all the overlays and tweeks. I like Monsters, I'm looking forward to Nemo subs - I'm hoping this marks the change to the new and away from the "imporved." __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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07-03-2006, 12:42 AM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Is not Finding Nemo Subs essentially an overlay and tweak? I long held out hope that they would eventually fill in the lagoon and do something completely new. Or at least find another water-based attraction to do.
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