World Cup, cry baby athletes, and poor sportsmanship - Page 3

Ghoulish Delight · 07-11-2006, 03:38 PM

Okay, this I don't buy (ephasis mine)

Quote:

"I did insult him, it's true," Materazzi said in Tuesday's Gazzetta dello Sport. "But I categorically did not call him a terrorist. I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."

Riiiiight.

CoasterMatt · 07-11-2006, 08:37 PM

When I saw that insult, the first thing I thought of was...

You son of a motherless goat!!

CoasterMatt · 07-12-2006, 06:27 AM

Quote:

At a lunch in honour of Les Bleus, President Jacques Chirac reserved his warmest comments for Zidane: "Dear Zinedine, in such a hard and intense moment for you, I would like to express the entire nation's affection and admiration for you. You are a virtuoso, a genius of soccer and an exceptional human being. You are also a man of heart, commitment, conviction. That's why France admires and loves you."

A blow to the chest like the one Zizou or Zidane or WTF the crazy idiot is calling himself today (just don't call him a terrorist, cuz that's racist somehow) inflicted can KILL somebody - all because he can't handle some trash talk. But of course, that's why he's loved in France, I guess.

scaeagles · 07-12-2006, 06:40 AM

Steph, I realize I am taking this perhaps to an extreme, but freeway driving during rush hour can be stressful. If someone honks his horn at me one too many times, can I get out and assault him?

Someone who can't handle words like a man shouldn't be in a situation where he has to. If this was a one time thing, and "oh my lord I can't believe what I did and I snapped" kind of thing, I think it would be excusable. But the guy has a reputation as a hot head.

Prudence · 07-12-2006, 08:27 AM

I don't get the kerfluffle. So Europeans enjoy their "sports entertainment" as much as Americans apparently do. The performers give the audience what the audience wants and good performances are compensated.

Gemini Cricket · 07-12-2006, 08:34 AM

If I head butted someone at work when I got mad, I'd get fired.

"Huh? You want what Mail Merged?" Headbutt to my boss's chest. *Wham!* "Here's your Mail Merge, dinglecheese!"

Then again, my boss is like 5'1" so I'd have to crouch down and then headbutt her. It would kinda lose it's effect...

Alex · 07-12-2006, 09:04 AM

And if, instead of asking for a mailmerge she said "do the mail merge you faggot, you probably get your rocks off sticking your **** up the asses of four-year-olds until they bleed to death" there would be plenty of people who, while not thinking your violence was the correct course of action, could understand it.

The whole idea behind the progressive advancement of "speech codes" and "fighting words" is the idea that some words are so dispicable that violence is essentially an inevitable response.

Gemini Cricket · 07-12-2006, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

And if, instead of asking for a mailmerge she said "do the mail merge you faggot, you probably get your rocks off sticking your **** up the asses of four-year-olds until they bleed to death" there would be plenty of people who, while not thinking your violence was the correct course of action, could understand it.

"I suppose..." (And I say that in an Eartha Kitt voice as she looks doubtfully at Kronk.) That's grasping at straws there, Alex. But if one must point out the one thing that sets you apart from everyone else just to prove a point about something idiotic, then so be it.

And if my boss said that to me, I'd find that funny, too. She has this crazy Boston accent that makes me laugh. And she would do it with hand motions, because she uses hand motions for everything.

Alex · 07-12-2006, 09:59 AM

What's grasping at straws, I'm just searching for something that you would find offensive in our context. Perhaps you wouldn't react violently and I'd like to think so. But if you did a lot of people would defend you for it, is my point.

If what is reported is true then what was said is horribly offensive. Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't make it less so. To us being upset at "Algerian terrorist" is as meaningless as why Paki is so offensive in most parts of the world. We lack the context that makes it offensive.

I'm not defending a violent response to any words. But I'm on the losing side of that debate. The basis on which hate speech legislation has been passed all around the world is to prevent violence. Apparently most of the world, particularly the European part of it, accepts the idea that a person can say something so repugnant that they are responsible for any resulting violence.

Gemini Cricket · 07-12-2006, 10:12 AM

I'm not offended by it at all. And I'm not someone who acts violently ever. It's beneath me and so are Zindane's and the other guy's actions.

The fact that I didn't find what he said to be offensive does make it less so. To me. It's a non-issue. And why the heck are people so up in arms about it anyway? It wasn't directed at them. He didn't call Steph a terrorist. It's between the two men, the two teams and the refs.

Somehow the fact that I found it funny, and still do, has garnered me the heartless racist crown. Whatever. I'm reacting in the way Zindane should have... by laughing it all off.

07-11-2006, 08:37 PM	#2
CoasterMatt BRAAAAAAAINS! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: One Step Beyond... Posts: 8,802	When I saw that insult, the first thing I thought of was... You son of a motherless goat!! __________________ Do you like my photography? Visit photosbymatt.tumblr.com to purchase prints!
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 06:40 AM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Steph, I realize I am taking this perhaps to an extreme, but freeway driving during rush hour can be stressful. If someone honks his horn at me one too many times, can I get out and assault him? Someone who can't handle words like a man shouldn't be in a situation where he has to. If this was a one time thing, and "oh my lord I can't believe what I did and I snapped" kind of thing, I think it would be excusable. But the guy has a reputation as a hot head.
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 08:27 AM	#5
Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	I don't get the kerfluffle. So Europeans enjoy their "sports entertainment" as much as Americans apparently do. The performers give the audience what the audience wants and good performances are compensated. __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 08:34 AM	#6
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	If I head butted someone at work when I got mad, I'd get fired. "Huh? You want what Mail Merged?" Headbutt to my boss's chest. Wham! "Here's your Mail Merge, dinglecheese!" Then again, my boss is like 5'1" so I'd have to crouch down and then headbutt her. It would kinda lose it's effect...
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 09:04 AM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	And if, instead of asking for a mailmerge she said "do the mail merge you faggot, you probably get your rocks off sticking your **** up the asses of four-year-olds until they bleed to death" there would be plenty of people who, while not thinking your violence was the correct course of action, could understand it. The whole idea behind the progressive advancement of "speech codes" and "fighting words" is the idea that some words are so dispicable that violence is essentially an inevitable response.
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 09:59 AM	#9
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	What's grasping at straws, I'm just searching for something that you would find offensive in our context. Perhaps you wouldn't react violently and I'd like to think so. But if you did a lot of people would defend you for it, is my point. If what is reported is true then what was said is horribly offensive. Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't make it less so. To us being upset at "Algerian terrorist" is as meaningless as why Paki is so offensive in most parts of the world. We lack the context that makes it offensive. I'm not defending a violent response to any words. But I'm on the losing side of that debate. The basis on which hate speech legislation has been passed all around the world is to prevent violence. Apparently most of the world, particularly the European part of it, accepts the idea that a person can say something so repugnant that they are responsible for any resulting violence.
	Submit to Quotes

07-12-2006, 10:12 AM	#10
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I'm not offended by it at all. And I'm not someone who acts violently ever. It's beneath me and so are Zindane's and the other guy's actions. The fact that I didn't find what he said to be offensive does make it less so. To me. It's a non-issue. And why the heck are people so up in arms about it anyway? It wasn't directed at them. He didn't call Steph a terrorist. It's between the two men, the two teams and the refs. Somehow the fact that I found it funny, and still do, has garnered me the heartless racist crown. Whatever. I'm reacting in the way Zindane should have... by laughing it all off.
	Submit to Quotes