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scaeagles · 08-03-2006, 08:12 PM

That doesn't contradict my fuzzy historical memory, though.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-03-2006, 08:13 PM

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That doesn't contradict my fuzzy historical memory, though.

Nor does it contradict Alex's supposition that the whacko minority wasn't really an issue until they declared statehood.

scaeagles · 08-03-2006, 08:16 PM

True (Speaking to GD's last comment)

scaeagles · 08-03-2006, 08:17 PM

ISM, do you think Spain should give up the land the Muslims want?

wendybeth · 08-03-2006, 08:21 PM

How about the re-grab some Mexicans want to do here in the US? I know of a few Native Americans that would be interested in some extra land for their casinos as well.....

Israel is a country, it exists and isn't going away. Much like us. So, Hezbollah and Hamas and all the other militants had better resign themselves to either a life of nothing but war, or peace. The third option is too terrible to consider, but it bears saying: Israel belongs to the nuclear club.

Alex · 08-03-2006, 08:41 PM

They've already resigned themselves to the war option. Now everybody else has to decide how to cope with that.

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2006, 08:46 PM

I'm not so sure about Spain, but note how it's the jews in this debate here that are arguing for Israel to pack up and leave.

I guess I'm not claiming any moral superiority to argue ... but there is this: beyond the uselessness of the fight, the endless violence and death, the near-fated ultimate outcome of defeat ... there's the fact that, as a jew, it breaks my heart to have Israel become so much like her vile enemies in trying to defeat her enemies.

scaeagles · 08-03-2006, 08:51 PM

Why not so sure about Spain? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm curious as to why you think Islamic terrorists will stop there, or that the land there is worth the fighting. If Israel ceased to exist, wouldn't it make sense that they would be emboldened to move on to other territories they feel they are entitled to?

innerSpaceman · 08-03-2006, 09:00 PM

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Why not so sure about Spain? ...why you think Islamic terrorists will stop there, or that the land there is worth the fighting. If Israel ceased to exist, wouldn't it make sense that they would be emboldened to move on to other territories they feel they are entitled to?

Perhaps, but I find the whole "emboldened" argument to be such weaksauce ... even if it turns out to be true. In any given situation, there may be no good options ... with the best choice being to select the least worst.

Multiple Choice, scaeagles:

A. Surrender

B. Death

C. Become Your Enemy (or the equivalent)

Even if "A" emboldens your enemy, do you find "B" or "C" to be preferable?

scaeagles · 08-03-2006, 09:23 PM

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Multiple Choice, scaeagles:

A. Surrender

B. Death

C. Become Your Enemy (or the equivalent)

Even if "A" emboldens your enemy, do you find "B" or "C" to be preferable?

I disagree with the premise of your question. I disagree that Israel is becoming the enemy they are fighting against. Israel has shown they are willing to live at peace and even give concessions to do so. It is their enemy who will not do the same.

So becoming the enemy? I don't buy it. Terrorists purposefully target civilians and then hide among their own women and children, and all the while seem to gain the sympathy of the international community as the victims.

I don't see Israel as the bad guy, or even as becoming the bad guy. They did not bring war. War was brought to them.

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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	How about the re-grab some Mexicans want to do here in the US? I know of a few Native Americans that would be interested in some extra land for their casinos as well..... Israel is a country, it exists and isn't going away. Much like us. So, Hezbollah and Hamas and all the other militants had better resign themselves to either a life of nothing but war, or peace. The third option is too terrible to consider, but it bears saying: Israel belongs to the nuclear club. __________________
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I'm not so sure about Spain, but note how it's the jews in this debate here that are arguing for Israel to pack up and leave. I guess I'm not claiming any moral superiority to argue ... but there is this: beyond the uselessness of the fight, the endless violence and death, the near-fated ultimate outcome of defeat ... there's the fact that, as a jew, it breaks my heart to have Israel become so much like her vile enemies in trying to defeat her enemies.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Why not so sure about Spain? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm curious as to why you think Islamic terrorists will stop there, or that the land there is worth the fighting. If Israel ceased to exist, wouldn't it make sense that they would be emboldened to move on to other territories they feel they are entitled to?
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