10 years later....

[Kevy Baby]

As someone who is VERY pained by our inability (it would seem - no official diagnosis) to have children, it is infuriating to see how some people treat their children.

[SacTown Chronic]

Tarted up daughter notwithstanding, my heart breaks just as much for Patsy Ramsey as it would for June Cleaver if the Beaver was sexually assaulted and murdered by that little prick, Eddie Haskell.


Yesterday I thought that news of this arrest (and possible posthumous exoneration) coming after her death was just another cruel blow to a woman whose suffering goes far beyond my comprehension. Now I realize it's a blessing. Maybe this guy's the killer, maybe not. Either way, tongues are wagging again. She didn't need this and I'm grateful she's not around to see it.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Tarted up daughter notwithstanding, my heart breaks just as much for Patsy Ramsey as it would for June Cleaver if the Beaver was sexually assaulted and murdered by that little prick, Eddie Haskell.

Sorry to serial post, but I had to agree with this. I don't think that she is to blame for her child's death at all. I may disagree with her parenting decisions, but to imply that she was at fault for putting her daughter on display would be the same as saying it's a rape victim's fault for wearing a short skirt.

[Babette]

That Oprah was scary. The point of the show was that these mothers have self-esteem issues and are transferring them to their daughters. There was also an anorexic mom who couldn't understand why her 4-year-old was obsessed with her weight. She would work out and only eat fruits and vegetables so she didn't get fat - a 4-year-old! The mom, who portions out exactly one cup of food for herself at each meal to ensure she doesn't overeat, would play a fat or skinny game in the car with the child. Hmmmm...I wonder why she is worried about her weight at age FOUR!

Originally Posted by mousepod

I have to admit, my first thought was: "This guy is facing time in a Thai prison. He will do or say anything to be extradited to the US."

Closure would be good. Truth would be better.

That's my vote. I saw a report today and he is saying too much, too easily. Also, they said she had no drugs in her system but that is one of his claims. Too weird - I think it is phony. He may have killed some other girl. I still think her mom was involved.

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

C'mon GC; be realistic. I think 35 is a safe age for girls to start wearing makeup.

That's about the age I stopped wearing it.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

My daughter has been tarted up for dance recitals.

I would assume that is an occasional special event, not a lifestyle. I am OK with that.

[wendybeth]

It's interesting how conservative some of us libs are with regards to letting our kids dress innappropriately.

Tori has worn make-up for her dance recitals and for play; the only make-up she can wear outside the house is lip gloss. She's fine with that. Jon Benet was tarted up to an appalling degree. She had her hair lightened, nails done, make-up caked on and very innappropriate clothing during her 'competitions'. Poor kid- I wonder if she ever thought her natural look was pretty enough? I don't doubt she was very loved, but her parents mixed her up in a very questionable industry.

I remember when we were visiting DL and we had all met at To Jo's- afterwards, we were walking back to the Park and suddenly Darkbeer starting walking sideways and was very obviously shielding Tori's vision from the line of prostitots winding their way out of Libby Lu in parade formation. It was very sweet, and very much appreciated as the Girl was way into glitter back then and I doubt she could have stood being deprived of the LL experience.

[Nephythys]

My daughter has been tarted up for dance recitals.

Comments?

No? When you become a parent you realize that you were a fool for thinking you could judge others for their parenting.

I am baffled by the "facts" of the case-been a while since I looked at it too closely even though I live out here in CO.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

My daughter has been tarted up for dance recitals.

Comments?

Well, if your daughter was tarted up like the girl (8 years old!) in this screenshot from the Dr. Phil show, I don't so much have a comment as a question:



Why do you want your daughter to be a sex object?

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

My daughter has been tarted up for dance recitals.

Comments?

No? When you become a parent you realize that you were a fool for thinking you could judge others for their parenting.

I think it depends. As someone who was heavily involved in the competitive dance world as a teenager I think it can go one of two ways. You can go to a studio where they wear makeup for performances (which is a must with the wash out lights on stage), but the costumes cover more than a bikini would and the dances are age appropriate. Age appropriate meaning they don't have ten year olds doing crotch shots and dancing to songs about hookers. In my experience, you can't become as advanced a dancer at those studios (at least not out here), because the better teachers know how the fiercely competitive dance world works and what it takes to win, but it can be found.

My studio was the opposite. Little girls in skimpy costumes dancing to songs about sex and prostitutes. But the teacher was very talented and the studio won a lot of competitions. It also had the added bonus of being one of the few studios that didn't start telling girls that they were fat at the age seven. The girls were all extremely nice and so were most of the parents. Very few "stage moms." They grew up very very fast though. Very fast. These girls acted like teenagers by the time they were eight. And with 12+ hours of dancing a week from the time they were five or six, I guess I don't blame them. Not for my kid, but I didn't see any abuse going on. Outside of competition they dressed like normal kids.

Stage moms are possibly my biggest dislike. I've seen moms, berate, shame, and even hit their kids for messing up a routine. What are they thinking? When does a kid get to be a kid?

And yes, I do judge child beauty pageants pretty harshly. I think it is nothing short of robbing your daughter of her childhood and putting her on display like a demented knick knack. But perhaps there are those cases where the child begs to be in a pageant. So what? I think as a parent it is their job to figure out what need a little girl is trying fill. The desire to compete? Put her in sports! Wants to get dressed up? Go to club build a whore. (Or better yet, go to one of the many Victorian tea houses that are cropping up everywhere for little girls). Socialization? Join Scouts, or have slumber party, or something. As a parent it is their job to look out for those little girls best interests. I can't fathom a single reason why putting your child on display like a sex object could ever be in their best interest.

And that guy is creepy whether or not he murdered her.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Stage moms are possibly my biggest dislike. I've seen moms, berate, shame, and even hit their kids for messing up a routine. What are they thinking? When does a kid get to be a kid?

And yes, I do judge child beauty pageants pretty harshly. I think it is nothing short of robbing your daughter of her childhood and putting her on display like a demented knick knack. .

Well said, Traci!

What pagents and dance performances have become at this point is time is something I would NEVER get my own child involved in - and I was heavily involved in them in my childhood. It was pretty bad then but what it has become is disgusting. I actually stopped inviting a certain child dance troup to perform at an annyal Youth Arts event I put on for 10 years because what they performed was not appropriate for a children's event.

Any parent who tarts up their child for a pagent or a pole dance performance needs to be investigated by CPS.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

But perhaps there are those cases where the child begs to be in a pageant. So what? I think as a parent it is their job to figure out what need a little girl is trying fill.

Totally agree. The issue with the 3 year old mentioned earlier wasn't that a 3 yeard old was wearing makeup. It was that a parent doesn't understand that they have the rigth, and the responsiblity, to say "no" to their child.