Do you believe in God? - Page 2

Ghoulish Delight · 09-07-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

And if no matter how far you go back it requires an answer to the question "how did that get there" I don't see how it ultimately requires a creator because that just moves the question to "how did the creator get there?" So far, every time we've moved "creation" farther back it has been through evidence of another new physical process. I don't see where continuing that chain eventually requires a sentient process of creation.

I never claimed any sort of sentience. Like I said, all I believe is that there must be something outside of our universe that originated our universe, the nature of which is unknowable to us.

Alex · 09-07-2006, 04:00 PM

Ok, but your post above (#14) seems to suggest you do think it was sentient in some way.

But yes, I have no problem agreeing that if there was a state of things in which our universe did not exist then something outside of our universe caused it to exist.

That said, even if purely physical that does not mean it will necessarily be possible to determine the process that happened. Just as if I told you to think of an integer and then tell me the square of it, when you told me your result was 16, I would have no way to objectively determine whether the integer you thought of was 4 or -4. Initial conditions are not always apparent in the resulting condition.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-07-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Ok, but your post above (#14) seems to suggest you do think it was sentient in some way.

I also said it was mostly a mental exercise. A working theory more than a belief.

Frogberto · 09-07-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I also said it was mostly a mental exercise. A working theory more than a belief.

Which puts it probably more towards "faith", than being anything related to "science". And that's fine by me.

09-07-2006, 04:00 PM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ok, but your post above (#14) seems to suggest you do think it was sentient in some way. But yes, I have no problem agreeing that if there was a state of things in which our universe did not exist then something outside of our universe caused it to exist. That said, even if purely physical that does not mean it will necessarily be possible to determine the process that happened. Just as if I told you to think of an integer and then tell me the square of it, when you told me your result was 16, I would have no way to objectively determine whether the integer you thought of was 4 or -4. Initial conditions are not always apparent in the resulting condition.
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