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[mousepod]

Shadoe - I'm sorry... were you saying something? I read Laura Ingraham's name and sort of tuned out.

You were saying something about all of us reading some kind of poli sci book? How do you know we haven't?

[Somalia] (s)tarted off as a humanitarian mission and it changed into a nation-building mission, and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price. And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow the dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case it was a nation-building exercise, and same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either.

[mousepod]

Imperialism aside, what say you to the true small-government conservatives who feel that President Bush has betrayed the cause?

Watch as the Republican party continues to magically distance itself from the Bush team as the elections approach.

By the way, if you gravitate toward Laura Ingraham, does that also include using snide nicknames like "San Fran Nan" instead of Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (whom I happily voted for, btw)?

[The Shadoe]

Originally Posted by mousepod

Imperialism aside, what say you to the true small-government conservatives who feel that President Bush has betrayed the cause?

Watch as the Republican party continues to magically distance itself from the Bush team as the elections approach.

By the way, if you gravitate toward Laura Ingraham, does that also include using snide nicknames like "San Fran Nan" instead of Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (whom I happily voted for, btw)?

Personally? I'd rather that we weren't in Iraq. On most aspects I consider myself a conservative first, Libertarian second. When talking about Iraq, I have kept clear my own personal judgements about our purpose there, and have been making an honest effort to bring to light the aspects of nation-building, which is what we are doing there, and how they compare to other places.

I don't have a problem with LI's snide names. For all I care, you can make snide names about anyone. In fact, I'm sure that most people have snide names for others they aren't fond of. It's better than the libelous "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them". Calling someone a liar is a serious accusation, and it's even worse if you are going around claiming that you never lie, and then are caught lying in the very book about the lying liars. Or Michelle "****" Malkin. No one deserves that.

[wendybeth]

Believe me, Shadoe- if the Lying liars could sue for slander or libel, they would have. Good thing the book was backed up with facts, eh?

[mousepod]

Sorry to drag up a topic from a couple of pages ago, Shadoe, but I can't let you get away with your ridiculous Ann Coulter/Al Franken comment.

Each of Ann Coulter's four books has been a slam at the Left. Liberal-bashing is her bread and butter.

Al Franken was a professional comedian and writer for over 20 years before he published 'Rush Limbaugh is A Big Fat Idiot'.

Just thought a little truth might be in order here.

[The Shadoe]

Originally Posted by mousepod

Sorry to drag up a topic from a couple of pages ago, Shadoe, but I can't let you get away with your ridiculous Ann Coulter/Al Franken comment.

Each of Ann Coulter's four books has been a slam at the Left. Liberal-bashing is her bread and butter.

Al Franken was a professional comedian and writer for over 20 years before he published 'Rush Limbaugh is A Big Fat Idiot'.

Just thought a little truth might be in order here.

That's not news to me. The difference is that Ann Coulter is successful at what she does. She doesn't NEED to sit there talking about Al Franken the way he talks about her. And in general she doesn't. He, on the other hand, talks about her all the time. It's almost creepy, like he has a crush on her or something.

An Ingraham effect? Urm, no.

How about a positive YES!

A man who thought oceans protected us, a man who apparently never heard of Pearl fvcking Harbor, a man who allowed the executions of numerous people when he was governor of Texas despite being unaware that killers can destroy innocent life, a man who was asleep at the switch on 9/11/01, would not be my first, second, or ten billionth choice to protect our country.

That's not what Bush thought. That's what the country thought. The 'we' refers to the United States of America. The concept he is talking about is called isolationism, something the nation was steeped in until we were forced out of it in World War II.

The best part about Bush's mess ups is that I get to sit back and say 'Well, I didn't vote for him.'

WWKD? (What Would Kerry Do?) Think about the screw-ups he would've caused, and had he been in the presidency, I could kick back too and say "Well, I didn't vote for him." I could do that, but I wouldn't. Sitting back and watching a person make mistakes isn't my bag. No matter who is in office, I'd rather that they succeed and do some good. I might not be fond of them or voted for them, but they deserve some dignity. I think most of us learnedabout helping others in kindergarten... sitting back and being carefree is rather cruel. So much for the "compassionate, caring, accepting liberals"...

Actually what you have here is the latest administration excuses for failure talking points being distributed to, and parroted by, all the usual suspects. Blaming the media seems like the last, and most desperate, act of a nothing's-our-fault administration.

Do you honestly think that the media is unbiased? And that they are reporting the whole story? What do you think people's views of the war are going to be when all you hear about are IEDs exploding. And little to no news coverage of anything positive happening, even though it is happening. And now the MSM is caught in a sticky spot. They DON'T talk with the troops. They DON'T talk to the Iraqis. They are completely removed and even feel that they are above talking to the "uneducated" men and women in uniform. Chris Matthews said as much recently. The MSM haven't been able to sucessfully go after Laura Ingraham's accusations. Why? Because as usual, she has a strong point, and just like most of the lefties on her show, they end up sputtering because she, as usual, outwitted them with her superior intellect and biting remarks.

But hey, far be it for me to come between you and Laura I. Carry on with the hero worship.

I don't "hero worship" Laura Ingraham. She happens to be my favorite pundit, and with good reason.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by The Shadoe

WWKD? (What Would Kerry Do?) Think about the screw-ups he would've caused, and had he been in the presidency, I could kick back too and say "Well, I didn't vote for him." I could do that, but I wouldn't. Sitting back and watching a person make mistakes isn't my bag. No matter who is in office, I'd rather that they succeed and do some good. I might not be fond of them or voted for them, but they deserve some dignity. I think most of us learnedabout helping others in kindergarten... sitting back and being carefree is rather cruel. So much for the "compassionate, caring, accepting liberals"...

Supposing what Kerry would have screwed up is vastly different than seeing what Bush actually screwed up. The man lost a city on his watch. Am I supposed to sit here and say, 'Well, good thing Kerry's not in. He would have lost more than just one.' Huh?

I sit back and watch because that's all anyone can do. The soldiers who died in this war for no reason deserve my respect, Bush does not. The memories of innocent Iraqi citizens bombed in the middle of the night by us deserve to be thought on with dignity, not Bush.

Shooting an unarmed Iraqi family (including 3 children) is cruel. Watching an out of touch leader implode because of his own stupidity is not.

I can show you tons of pictures of smiling people, it doesn't mean a damn thing.

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by The Shadoe

That's not what Bush thought. That's what the country thought. The 'we' refers to the United States of America.

No, we didn't think that. Every person I've ever talked to about terrorism was well aware that America was an attractive target prior to 9/11 (*cough*WTC attack circa 1993*cough*).

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by The Shadoe

Do you honestly think that the media is unbiased?

No. Actually I think the MSM has rolled over and shown the Bush administration their belly like a frightened animal.

[SacTown Chronic]

We didn't invade Iraq in order to bend them over and force democracy on them. We went because WMD. We went because they were an "imminent threat". We went because Condi put images of mushroom clouds in our heads.

Drives me nuts when people confuse pre-invasion justifications with post-invasion spin.