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flippyshark · 01-12-2010, 05:57 PM

I'm happy to see Rocky Horror on the adjusted list at #45 - It was a very modest production with hardly any studio support or expectations, but I think it succeeded not just because of the novelty of the audience participation that grew around it, but because the music kicked ass, and still does. I think it is the songs that have made this one timeless - that and the perfect casting. (It isn't the story, dialogue or pacing, heaven knows) I know kids now who love it even more than I did back in the (gulp) 70s and 80s.

flippyshark · 01-12-2010, 05:59 PM

Also, I wonder if Star Wars would retain the number two spot without counting the Special Edition release.

Jazzman · 01-12-2010, 06:03 PM

I'm pretty sure that the list only counts the release of the original Star Wars in '77 and doesn't account for the re-release. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it.

Alex · 01-12-2010, 06:25 PM

Since that's the Box Office Mojo list (here it is in current form, Wikipedia's appears to not have been updated in a bit) it includes re-releases (which is a lot for popular movies made before the '70s. For example the numbers for Star Wars includes the initial 1977 release, a re-release in 1982, and the Special Edition release in 1997).

While inflation adjusted lists are good at keeping a general sense of relative financial success of movies across time, they aren't nearly so precise as the numbers tend to imply. Especially since they rest on the faulty (and those who do it admit it's faulty) assumption that dividing gross by average ticket price gives a reasonably accurate total number of tickets sold. As an example, in 2008 both Horton Hears a Who! and Gran Torino had similar domestic grosses. But Horton Hears a Who! probably sold at least 20% more (and possibly quite a bit more than that) because a huge percentage of its tickets were cheaper kids tickets and it played a lot better in suburban and rural areas where tickets are cheaper. But they'll forever be viewed as equally popular.

And then there are the intangibles such as what success means in 1939 for Gone with the Wind when people knew that once it left their local theater town they might possibly never get another chance to see it again vs. now where everybody knows that they can watch the movie on their couch in six months and if they really wanted to pirate it a week early. Or that in 2009 there'll be four times as many movies released as in 1939.

But yeah, relative to society as a whole Avatar will be nowhere near the all time top, but it will be in the top 25 which isn't all that bad.

Gemini Cricket · 01-23-2010, 11:49 AM

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#1 READY TO SEE A GREAT (AND ANOTHER NOT SO GREAT) SCI-FI TRILOGY AGAIN... IN 3D?

As Avatar continues to reign over the box office, a common argument has been that James Cameron's movie changed the way that audiences experience movies in 3D. There has been a lot of speculation that we'll not only see more films made in 3D, but that possibly some older "eye candy" movies could get the treatment, too. Now, George Lucas has confirmed that for years he has been looking into bringing the two Star Wars trilogies back to theaters in 3D form, and that Avatar has shown him that the time may be right for him to begin the process. Lucas says "we've been looking for years and years of trying to take Star Wars and put it in 3D, but [the] technology hasn't been there. We've been struggling with it, but I think is the new impetus to make that happen." If Lucas goes through with plans to return all six Star Wars to theaters in the 3D format, it will be the second time that the original trilogy has been rereleased, following the controversial "Special Edition" versions from 1997, and the first for the prequel trilogy.

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Jazzman · 01-12-2010, 08:21 PM

Looks like some people are buying into the Greenpeace message a bit too much.

flippyshark · 01-12-2010, 08:46 PM

Wow, people are depressed because the film's idyllic world is not real or attainable. Personally, I'm relieved, as the Na'vi society seems to spend an awful lot of time sitting cross-legged and swaying back and forth in front of a tree, arms flailing about in the air. Not my idea of paradise. (And the whole hive mind thing just creeps me out, no matter how pretty a world you put it in.)

I do know at least one person who experiences similar disappointment that she cannot ever be at Hogwart's.

RStar · 01-13-2010, 08:09 AM

And some people are contemplating suicide so they can leave this world to go to that one. And they are considering building an Avatar commune also. WTF? Are people that out of it? No wonder the government covers up all the UFO landings, the were right- the public can't handle it!

Moonliner · 01-13-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RStar

And some people are contemplating suicide so they can leave this world to go to that one. And they are considering building an Avatar commune also. WTF? Are people that out of it? No wonder the government covers up all the UFO landings, the were right- the public can't handle it!

Meh. There are always outliers in any set. Sex, Drugs, Booze, D&D, Elections, TV Shows, Pop Stars, Religions, Sports franchises, Video Games, Relationships, take your pick.

Pretty much anything that gets some national attention will get at least a few extremist. Then the press steps in and further mucks things up. Hell if CNN ran across this site the headline might read "Disney Nerds plan hedonist commune for bacon worship"

For the few individuals truly in trouble, I say take the focus off the movie and look for the true underlying cause of their distress.

Capt Jack · 01-13-2010, 09:25 AM

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"Disney Nerds plan hedonist commune for bacon worship"

Film @ 11

visible Moonie mojo

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flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	Wow, people are depressed because the film's idyllic world is not real or attainable. Personally, I'm relieved, as the Na'vi society seems to spend an awful lot of time sitting cross-legged and swaying back and forth in front of a tree, arms flailing about in the air. Not my idea of paradise. (And the whole hive mind thing just creeps me out, no matter how pretty a world you put it in.) I do know at least one person who experiences similar disappointment that she cannot ever be at Hogwart's.
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RStar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Me & Manyard hangin out! Posts: 5,433	And some people are contemplating suicide so they can leave this world to go to that one. And they are considering building an Avatar commune also. WTF? Are people that out of it? No wonder the government covers up all the UFO landings, the were right- the public can't handle it! __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup! www.StarTownGifts.com
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flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	I'm happy to see Rocky Horror on the adjusted list at #45 - It was a very modest production with hardly any studio support or expectations, but I think it succeeded not just because of the novelty of the audience participation that grew around it, but because the music kicked ass, and still does. I think it is the songs that have made this one timeless - that and the perfect casting. (It isn't the story, dialogue or pacing, heaven knows) I know kids now who love it even more than I did back in the (gulp) 70s and 80s.
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01-12-2010, 06:25 PM	#4
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Since that's the Box Office Mojo list (here it is in current form, Wikipedia's appears to not have been updated in a bit) it includes re-releases (which is a lot for popular movies made before the '70s. For example the numbers for Star Wars includes the initial 1977 release, a re-release in 1982, and the Special Edition release in 1997). While inflation adjusted lists are good at keeping a general sense of relative financial success of movies across time, they aren't nearly so precise as the numbers tend to imply. Especially since they rest on the faulty (and those who do it admit it's faulty) assumption that dividing gross by average ticket price gives a reasonably accurate total number of tickets sold. As an example, in 2008 both Horton Hears a Who! and Gran Torino had similar domestic grosses. But Horton Hears a Who! probably sold at least 20% more (and possibly quite a bit more than that) because a huge percentage of its tickets were cheaper kids tickets and it played a lot better in suburban and rural areas where tickets are cheaper. But they'll forever be viewed as equally popular. And then there are the intangibles such as what success means in 1939 for Gone with the Wind when people knew that once it left their local theater town they might possibly never get another chance to see it again vs. now where everybody knows that they can watch the movie on their couch in six months and if they really wanted to pirate it a week early. Or that in 2009 there'll be four times as many movies released as in 1939. But yeah, relative to society as a whole Avatar will be nowhere near the all time top, but it will be in the top 25 which isn't all that bad.
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