Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[BarTopDancer]

Everyone PLEASE take a deep breath and calm down. Feelings are getting hurt and trampled on, snarkiness is starting to reign in this thread.

The fact of the matter is simple: Some classic costumes are being done away with for a more generic costume instead of making another unique costume that is flattering to more people. I think the outrage going on is that a generic costume that will work on a wider range of people is replacing a classic costume instead of another area specific costume that would work on a wider range of people.

As much as we don't want to, we must come to terms with reality: Disneyland is 1) not the park of 1955 anymore 2) having massive personnal issues and cannot be picky in who they cast for what roles, 3) attempting to resolve issues in the cheapest way possible.

It is so hard to tell tone over the internet, we all know that. But some of these posts... are shocking. If I didn't already know the people these posts were coming from I'd be stunned into silence at the meanness and judgementalness coming from them. Actually, I am. Wow. I never thought that I'd be reading what I have been from the people who have been writing it. I thought we were better than this.

[BarTopDancer]

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Everyone PLEASE take a deep breath and calm down. Feelings are getting hurt and trampled on, snarkiness is starting to reign in this thread.

The fact of the matter is simple: Some classic costumes are being done away with for a more generic costume instead of making another unique costume that is flattering to more people. I think the outrage going on is that a generic costume that will work on a wider range of people is replacing a classic costume instead of another area specific costume that would work on a wider range of people.

As much as we don't want to, we must come to terms with reality: Disneyland is 1) not the park of 1955 anymore 2) having massive personnal issues and cannot be picky in who they cast for what roles, 3) attempting to resolve issues in the cheapest way possible.

It is so hard to tell tone over the internet, we all know that. But some of these posts... are shocking. If I didn't already know the people these posts were coming from I'd be stunned into silence at the meanness and judgementalness coming from them. Actually, I am. Wow. I never thought that I'd be reading what I have been from the people who have been writing it. I thought we were better than this.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by ISM

I agree completely. But ya know what? When I go to a restaurant, I'm looking for a good meal and not hotties to ogle. Low and behold, though, there they are! Meal after meal, restaurant after restaurant - the nicest restaurants have the hawtest waiters and waitresses.

Do they get a better tip? No, I base that purely on quality of service. But am I glad for the eye candy that I didn't look for in the first place? Yes, it makes my experience a tiny bit more enjoyable. The same can be said of Disneyland. And since it's the best of the theme parks, I might reasonably expect the cutest CMs. I put far more stock in the friendliest CMs, the most helpful CMs. But it's only going to make the situation better if that friendly, helpful CM is attractive.

Ok. I accept and understand your viewpoint. I don't think that DL should alter it's hiring practices to fit it, but you are welcome to have any viewpoint you wish.

[Capt Jack]

fair enough.

I wont debate the accuracy (the lack thereof?) of most generalizations but I will indeed apologize for the rather heated reply to something taken (obviously) totally out of context.

my bad
*flashes a peace sign*

[innerSpaceman]

Yeah, I'm one of those freaks who are actually allergic to chocolate, and if someone claims that everyone loves the stuff, I understand the distinction. So let's not get all picky on the common-sensical assumption that Person A would be a more attractive Person A if they were a thin Person A rather than a fat Person A.

I would be a more attractive Person B if I were a taller Person B. It's a generalization, yes. But let's not get absurd in pointing out the exceptions. Obviously, there are people who find me attractive (hi there, zappp sweetie) at my little boy height.


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Prudence, when I posted about apples and oranges, I meant we shouldn't confuse a hiring situation with a casting situation. Casting almost always involves the matter of matching physical appearance to the perceived requirements of a role.

I would never support hiring based on the same requirements. I don't know why, for instance, restaurants might hire cutie waiters as a preference. I don't see how it makes them more money ... but they have a right to think otherwise. My own hiring practices would be different if I owned a restaurant.

If I owned Disneyland, however, there would still be that scale behind the desk at City Hall.


Please don't presume to dictate that I must equate my casting practices with my friendship practices. You are way off base with that assumption. I am not selling widgets when I engage in friendships.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I meant we shouldn't confuse a hiring situation with a casting situation. Casting almost always involves the matter of matching physical appearance to the perceived requirements of a role.

I can accept this to a point, but honestly I don't think DL really does "casting" - though they like to call it that. But then again, if they are casting, then I guess you have to question the object of the "show" - I'm not sure a scale and a size requirement have much meaning if you want to create an "authentic" feel for a particular land, in fact I think less homogenity would be a plus in the experience. (A fact I think contemporary marketing has started to clue into)

Even if you are casting for attractiveneess, I think you benefit from diversity - who wants to visit a brothel where all the girls look the same?

I do agree that a little tailoring can go a long way, why not have "costuming" do what costuming usually does in a show?

As for scranny canoe-men, how do you think those guys get those guns?

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I can accept this to a point, but honestly I don't think DL really does "casting" - though they like to call it that. But then again, if they are casting, then I guess you have to question the object of the "show" - I'm not sure a scale and a size requirement have much meaning if you want to create an "authentic" feel for a particular land, in fact I think less homogenity would be a plus in the experience. (A fact I think contemporary marketing has started to clue into)

That's true. If you are going to "cast" Main Street USA for authenticity then you should probably cast middle aged men as most of the shop keepers, young men for the lower paid rolls (ice cream scoopers, etc.) and so on. Very few women worked in small town USA. The only "role" I would see attractiveness and authenticity joining would be the saloon girls.

[Not Afraid]

WOW! I go out to lunch and shopping with my 3rd husband and come home to one entire page of new posts here. COOL!

I'm sort of snickering to myself here because, I've met most of you at one time or another and, while I think we are a great and fun lot of people that I adore, Johnny Depp or Natalie Portman does NOT live here. Nor do their look a-likes. So, say what you will about fat people working at Disneyland and then go look in a mirror and wonder what "Magical Makeovers" would do for you. Everyone could use some help in the physical department IMHO.

My point is, it's not very important if you're fat or skinny, short or tall. What matters is how much of your backside you tend to show off to others. Most people don't like a lot of asshole in their face.

[Capt Jack]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

My point is, it's not very important if you're fat or skinny, short or tall. What matters is how much of your backside you tend to show off to others. Most people don't like a lot of asshole in their face.

that was damn profound.

*runs off in search of a longer shirt to cover his backside*

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Everyone could use some help in the physical department IMHO.

And this is what costume and fashion are all about. We all have features we'd like to draw attention to, and those we'd like to hide - clothing is one of the most basic means of doing that. A well tailored outfit can make us all look better. I'd like to think this is a consideration among the costume redesigns, but again I'll reserve judgement till I see what comes off the cat walk.