100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students... - Page 11

Gemini Cricket · 04-05-2006, 10:51 AM

It's totally possible. China has one of those walls.

innerSpaceman · 04-05-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

It's totally possible. China has one of those walls.

And, since China's is falling apart in many places, I think we should build one for the ages to take its place. A nice one, not a big fence. A big, giant wall with a wide, walkable (or even driveable!) pathway along the top. Maybe with water cannons to shoot playfully at any silly Mexicans that try to dig under. It'd be like one of those river-rafting rides, only better!

Nephythys · 04-05-2006, 11:30 AM

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Brentlinger said he was shocked on Tuesday when marching immigration-reform protesters tore down the flag outside his business.

"Some of them just grabbed the flag, and pulled it off its aluminum pole, and it got ripped," said Brentlinger.

Brentlinger told NBC 7/39 that he put up a new flag the next day.

"Some protesters drove up in their car and snagged the flag from our building and took off," said Brentlinger. "I was extremely, extremely upset. I mean, it was just ... insulting is the word."

Ok, so these people tear down his flag, then come back to take it again? They want this country to welcome immigrants, they came here for some reason and this is how they behave?

Get the fvck out!

tracilicious · 04-05-2006, 01:59 PM

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Ok, so these people tear down his flag, then come back to take it again? They want this country to welcome immigrants, they came here for some reason and this is how they behave?

Get the fvck out!

First of all, you are assuming that the people that did this are illegal immigrants. This may not be true. Second, a few people did something jerky. They are not representative of the millions of immigrants in this country. I suppose the reason that most of them come is that they want to make the best life that they can for themselves and their families.

Using the "their using our services without paying taxes argument" is true of many very poor people, white, Mexican, or otherwise. If they did file income taxes, it's likely that they would get refunds even if they have no tax responsibility. And they do pay taxes, just by shopping at American businesses.

innerSpaceman · 04-05-2006, 11:39 AM

As for the stupid flag stuff .... it's very unfortunate that in a crowd, a certain percentage of people will act like a mob.

Here in L.A., the Spanish-language media was urging protestors to carry only American flags. That would have been more politic, imo. But plenty of Mexican and other Central American flags were carried in a huge protest that stayed completely peaceful and respectful. For a crowd that size (upwards of half a million), I find that quite an accomplishment in itself.

Also, let's remember that - here in the southwest - we are relative newcomer conquerers in their country, not the other way around. And the demographics are unstoppable ... Latinos will be the majority population in our children's lifetimes. Not the majority minority (which they are today), but the outright majority. They are just beginning to flex their political muscle, and we'd better get used to it.

I bet lots of native americans said "get the fvck out," too. See what good that did.

Nephythys · 04-05-2006, 12:05 PM

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I bet lots of native americans said "get the fvck out," too. See what good that did.

Duly noted- however the USA is not an annex of Mexico. Immigration is one thing, people who think they can come here, reap financial benefit (especially taxpayers funded) pay no taxes themselves, and not have any consequences is another.

It's a passive invasion.

(and for the record I would feel this way about any illegals, I don't care where they come from)

SacTown Chronic · 04-05-2006, 12:34 PM

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It's a passive invasion.

Is that like when the woman is on top?

Alex · 04-05-2006, 12:43 PM

Hell, it is exactly because of the message of burning the flag (be it Mexican or American) that should give the act greater protection. If he was just buring random trash then it wouldn't matter all where or how he was doing it.

The message is what should give it free speech protections assuming that the act itself wasn't entirely reckless (through disregard for where the fire was started). Even if he was saying "I hate Mexicans." And yes, I'd say the same if he were saying through flag burning "I hate Americans" or "I hate ******s" or "I hate whitey" or "I hate Alex." Being a free speech absolutist means hearing an awful lot of things I don't like. As long as he wasn't significantly putting anybody at risk then I don't care what he was burning to make his statement.

I haven't read any of the articles so I don't know if any say where he started the fire and if any real recklessness was involved.

Gemini Cricket · 04-05-2006, 11:51 AM

Ooh, water cannons on the Great Wall of America! How fun!

We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!

innerSpaceman · 04-05-2006, 12:11 PM

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We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!

You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Gemini Cricket again.

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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	It's totally possible. China has one of those walls.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	As for the stupid flag stuff .... it's very unfortunate that in a crowd, a certain percentage of people will act like a mob. Here in L.A., the Spanish-language media was urging protestors to carry only American flags. That would have been more politic, imo. But plenty of Mexican and other Central American flags were carried in a huge protest that stayed completely peaceful and respectful. For a crowd that size (upwards of half a million), I find that quite an accomplishment in itself. Also, let's remember that - here in the southwest - we are relative newcomer conquerers in their country, not the other way around. And the demographics are unstoppable ... Latinos will be the majority population in our children's lifetimes. Not the majority minority (which they are today), but the outright majority. They are just beginning to flex their political muscle, and we'd better get used to it. I bet lots of native americans said "get the fvck out," too. See what good that did.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Hell, it is exactly because of the message of burning the flag (be it Mexican or American) that should give the act greater protection. If he was just buring random trash then it wouldn't matter all where or how he was doing it. The message is what should give it free speech protections assuming that the act itself wasn't entirely reckless (through disregard for where the fire was started). Even if he was saying "I hate Mexicans." And yes, I'd say the same if he were saying through flag burning "I hate Americans" or "I hate ******s" or "I hate whitey" or "I hate Alex." Being a free speech absolutist means hearing an awful lot of things I don't like. As long as he wasn't significantly putting anybody at risk then I don't care what he was burning to make his statement. I haven't read any of the articles so I don't know if any say where he started the fire and if any real recklessness was involved.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Ooh, water cannons on the Great Wall of America! How fun! We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!
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