Ta Ta Jesse Helms - Page 11

mousepod · 07-10-2008, 01:06 PM

I would have just flown the Southern Cross at half-staff.

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2008, 01:22 PM

Thanks for the correction, Kevy. Well, all the more important for Eason to uphold some Standards, eh?

Chernabog · 07-10-2008, 01:54 PM

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Well, all the more important for Eason to uphold some Standards, eh?

OK now for some reason I'm picturing him retiring to his ranch, Eason West, which is conveniently located next to Upson Downs. It's completely restricted!

And yes, if you get that reference, you may be a closet queen.

JWBear · 07-10-2008, 03:34 PM

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And yes, if you get that reference, you may be a closet queen.

Just Queen, honey... Closets ain't got nothing to do with it!

Gemini Cricket · 07-10-2008, 03:39 PM

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Just Queen, honey... Closets ain't got nothing to do with it!

You said "honey".

Mr. Upson: Hooonnneeeeeeyyy...

Snowflake · 07-10-2008, 04:03 PM

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You said "honey".

Mr. Upson: Hooonnneeeeeeyyy...

I've never had a daqueri made with honey, how ever did you think of it?

Where is little Glory?

LSPoorEeyorick · 07-10-2008, 02:46 PM

I want to preface my reply: Helms was despicable, and I don't really have a problem with people who are grave-dancing.

But, in a devil's-advocate kind of way, some of you bristled at the parallel between Helms' positions and yours. "He was evil - it's OK to grave-dance if the deceased was evil." Well, Helms thought homosexuals were evil; was it OK if he badmouthed them? In his (obviously poisonous and addled) mind, what he was saying was probably OK.

Gemini Cricket · 07-10-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

I want to preface my reply: Helms was despicable, and I don't really have a problem with people who are grave-dancing.

But, in a devil's-advocate kind of way, some of you bristled at the parallel between Helms' positions and yours. "He was evil - it's OK to grave-dance if the deceased was evil." Well, Helms thought homosexuals were evil; was it OK if he badmouthed them? In his (obviously poisonous and addled) mind, what he was saying was probably OK.

Not all homosexuals are evil. He hated all gay people. That's the distinction. He caused harm to the gay community through his hate speech and blocking AIDS related bills. Besides cover his house with a giant condom, the gay community has not caused any harm to him or his family for him to come to his conclusion. He didn't need any proof to come to his conclusion. Helms, in turn, has left a trail of hate behind him.
I'm all for seeing things through his eyes, but I can't find any rationale in hating an entire group of people.

ETA: I found some footage of Act Up putting the condom over his house. Click here.

LSPoorEeyorick · 07-10-2008, 03:26 PM

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Not all homosexuals are evil.

Well, yes, and I quite agree. But my point is: he didn't. He thought that just by being engaging in homosexual activity, they were doing evil. I'm certainly not defending his point of view - just pointing out that not much can be gained by the "OK to talk **** about the evil" argument. Evil is in the eye of the beholder, and he believed his POV just as strongly as you believe yours.

So I'm not going to go by the "OK to talk **** about the evil" rule - I'm going to go by my person rule: be respectful but honest. So: honestly and respectfully, Mr. Helms, we always disagreed and the things you said made me angry. I'm not mourning your death but I'm not celebrating it either.

Gemini Cricket · 07-10-2008, 03:38 PM

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Well, yes, and I quite agree. But my point is: he didn't. He thought that just by being engaging in homosexual activity, they were doing evil. I'm certainly not defending his point of view - just pointing out that not much can be gained by the "OK to talk **** about the evil" argument. Evil is in the eye of the beholder, and he believed his POV just as strongly as you believe yours.

So I'm not going to go by the "OK to talk **** about the evil" rule - I'm going to go by my person rule: be respectful but honest. So: honestly and respectfully, Mr. Helms, we always disagreed and the things you said made me angry. I'm not mourning your death but I'm not celebrating it either.

Nothing can be gained? The one thing that can be gained is the reminding people (be it four days later or four years later) of what a scumbag this guy was. There's no way I would want history to remember him as some sort of hero. The country can move forward when we identify where we went wrong in the past and not make the same mistakes again. If Helms is that identifier, then so be it.

What exactly has Helms done to earn your respect? Or is it the thinking that one should be respectful of the dead? (BTW, I'm not mad at LSPE, I am challenging her stance.) He hasn't earned my respect.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Thanks for the correction, Kevy. Well, all the more important for Eason to uphold some Standards, eh?
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LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	I want to preface my reply: Helms was despicable, and I don't really have a problem with people who are grave-dancing. But, in a devil's-advocate kind of way, some of you bristled at the parallel between Helms' positions and yours. "He was evil - it's OK to grave-dance if the deceased was evil." Well, Helms thought homosexuals were evil; was it OK if he badmouthed them? In his (obviously poisonous and addled) mind, what he was saying was probably OK.
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