Democratic National Convention '08

[scaeagles]

I read the transcript of the speech rather than watching it. Pretty typical promises of a democrat candidate for President.

[Alex]

Bill Kristol thought it was a great speech and a powerful start to the official campaign.

I'm sure he'll have come to his senses by morning, but if it gave Kristol a woody you have to admit it must have been pretty well delivered.

[scaeagles]

I can't speak to the delivery. Undoubtedly it was brilliantly delivered. Obama gives great prepared speeches.

[Alex]

Well, you might want to care more about delivery because I think I can guarantee that very few people are going to be seeking the dispassion of reading it.

[Moonliner]

Somehow Obama managed to pull himself up without all these expensive programs he says we need.

So how about you cut all the fat out of the budget like you say and stop there. Stop collecting money you don't need and let the people keep it. That way they can rise or fall to the limits of their own ability.

[3894]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Somehow Obama managed to pull himself up without all these expensive programs he says we need.

So how about you cut all the fat out of the budget like you say and stop there. Stop collecting money you don't need and let the people keep it. That way they can rise or fall to the limits of their own ability.

He said his mother and he had to go on food stamps. He said he and Michelle got student loans because education got them where they were. He said once in the biographical film and once in the speech that I/we are our brothers'/sisters' keeper.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by 3894

He said his mother and he had to go on food stamps. He said he and Michelle got student loans because education got them where they were. He said once in the biographical film and once in the speech that I/we are our brothers'/sisters' keeper.

No one said the American dream is easy. It some cases it takes hard work and sacrifice, but it is possible for anyone with the programs we have now. Obama is a shining example of that.

I had to put myself through college with no support from anyone. It was tough as hell to work at a crappy job and be a full time student but I managed. Short term suffering for long term goals. It's a skill that many in this country seem to lack. They think entitlement programs will be a substitute for hard work.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I had to put myself through college with no support from anyone. It was tough as hell to work at a crappy job and be a full time student but I managed. Short term suffering for long term goals. It's a skill that many in this country seem to lack.

Have you compared the average salary of the kinds of jobs that a college student can hold to the current cost of college? Has, since you went through school, the cost of college risen at the same rate as the compensation for jobs that are getable by people with only a high school diploma and who need flexible schedules?

[scaeagles]

Well, I care about the substance more than how it is said. I don't even watch republican speeches, preferring to read them.

I read some interesting analysis pre speech by Dick Morris. In 2000, Gore was down 7 when he gave an incredibly wonky dispassionate speech at the convention, and went up by 10 for a 17 point jump. Morris predicts the typical Obama speech will provide an emotional bump, which rarely lasts. Morris is a pretty smart political mind.

I find it interesting, though, that you, Alex, seem more concerned with the delivery than the substance.

Edited to add: Great point, Moonliner.

[Gemini Cricket]

I thought it was an amazing speech. Great delivery. He hit all the points that he has been challenged on by the McCain camp. Obama showed us that he's one tough cookie. Well done, methinks.
One of the best speeches I've ever seen.