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scaeagles · 05-27-2008, 09:16 PM

So helping bring an end to state sponsored genocide in an internal civil war is a bad thing how? How does this help prop up the current government of the Sudan when they are the ones doing the killing? I have no illusions of them being great humanitarians. I just want to know how mediating a civil war between in the Sudan is the same as Presidential face to face unconditional talks with the leaders of Iran without condition.

wendybeth · 05-27-2008, 09:49 PM

I'm not the one who had a problem with it, Scaeagles. I just think the level of hypocrisy is interesting, that's all. You point out that talking to Iran's leadership is wrong in your estimation, and I believe that talking to the Sudanese is no different. If Iran get nukes, they'll do a hell of a lot more damage than the Islamicists have done in the Darfur region. You know, in Iran there are all sorts of human rights abuses going on right now, not just the potential for nuclear mischief. Maybe George can go and mediate an end to them as well. While he's on this humanitarian roll, he can stop by the Saudi kingdom and have a chat with them. I know, I know- they're our bestest buddies, not our enemies. China could use some talking to while he's at it. There's no end to places and people that could stand a little mediating with our prez. I just had no idea he was such a caring person, really. Someone should tell his former press secretary to stop saying bad things about him.

scaeagles · 05-28-2008, 05:11 AM

Hmmm....we have former Clinton officials and advisors who say bad things about him.....sort of par for the course.

I suppose the difference, WB, is that the Sudan wants some help in mediating their civial war. If Iran said to us "we want help stopping our blatant human rights abuses" or China said "we need help establishing freedom of speech", I'd say go for it.

Yes, Iran can do far more damage with nukes than the Islamofacists have done in Darfur, but think about that....the most recent Sudanese estimates are 2 million dead. That's a few nukes going off in major cities. So....I suppose that means you support an invasion of Iran to prevent that?

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-28-2008, 07:03 AM

I had a dream last night that I was at a party, and Obama was there, sloshing drunk. I was worried that he'd try make a speech in his state, but he did not. He was working the crowd though...

wendybeth · 05-28-2008, 09:42 AM

Scaeagles, due to our attempt to rid the world of all the nasty weapons Saddam didn't have we no longer have the military strength to invade Monaco. North Korea was very publicly working on a nuclear program and we didn't invade them, but then the only resources they have are starving people and concrete.

So, CP- was he a happy drunk?

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-28-2008, 10:30 AM

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So, CP- was he a happy drunk?

Yes, and very social, kept himself rather together even though he was tottering. I think he was putting his arms around various women....

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 · 05-29-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I had a dream last night that I was at a party, and Obama was there, sloshing drunk. I was worried that he'd try make a speech in his state, but he did not. He was working the crowd though...

When Bill Clinton first ran, I had two dreams about him. I ran into him at a roller rink and on the street, and both times he HATED me. Heh.

Strangler Lewis · 05-28-2008, 12:51 PM

I seem to recall a phenomenon of women who had dreams about Bill Clinton. I wonder if you are part of a similar happening.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-28-2008, 08:12 PM

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I seem to recall a phenomenon of women who had dreams about Bill Clinton. I wonder if you are part of a similar happening.

Possibly, though he didn't even talk to me in the dream. I'm hoping for a much more graphic vision next time

Ghoulish Delight · 05-28-2008, 03:49 PM

Okay, this is just getting sad. Was she dodging sniper fire while collecting that poll data?

05-27-2008, 09:16 PM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	So helping bring an end to state sponsored genocide in an internal civil war is a bad thing how? How does this help prop up the current government of the Sudan when they are the ones doing the killing? I have no illusions of them being great humanitarians. I just want to know how mediating a civil war between in the Sudan is the same as Presidential face to face unconditional talks with the leaders of Iran without condition.
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05-27-2008, 09:49 PM	#2
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I'm not the one who had a problem with it, Scaeagles. I just think the level of hypocrisy is interesting, that's all. You point out that talking to Iran's leadership is wrong in your estimation, and I believe that talking to the Sudanese is no different. If Iran get nukes, they'll do a hell of a lot more damage than the Islamicists have done in the Darfur region. You know, in Iran there are all sorts of human rights abuses going on right now, not just the potential for nuclear mischief. Maybe George can go and mediate an end to them as well. While he's on this humanitarian roll, he can stop by the Saudi kingdom and have a chat with them. I know, I know- they're our bestest buddies, not our enemies. China could use some talking to while he's at it. There's no end to places and people that could stand a little mediating with our prez. I just had no idea he was such a caring person, really. Someone should tell his former press secretary to stop saying bad things about him. __________________ Last edited by wendybeth : 05-27-2008 at 11:43 PM. Reason: Too many 'as wells'.
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05-28-2008, 05:11 AM	#3
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Hmmm....we have former Clinton officials and advisors who say bad things about him.....sort of par for the course. I suppose the difference, WB, is that the Sudan wants some help in mediating their civial war. If Iran said to us "we want help stopping our blatant human rights abuses" or China said "we need help establishing freedom of speech", I'd say go for it. Yes, Iran can do far more damage with nukes than the Islamofacists have done in Darfur, but think about that....the most recent Sudanese estimates are 2 million dead. That's a few nukes going off in major cities. So....I suppose that means you support an invasion of Iran to prevent that?
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I had a dream last night that I was at a party, and Obama was there, sloshing drunk. I was worried that he'd try make a speech in his state, but he did not. He was working the crowd though... __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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05-28-2008, 09:42 AM	#5
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Scaeagles, due to our attempt to rid the world of all the nasty weapons Saddam didn't have we no longer have the military strength to invade Monaco. North Korea was very publicly working on a nuclear program and we didn't invade them, but then the only resources they have are starving people and concrete. So, CP- was he a happy drunk? __________________
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I seem to recall a phenomenon of women who had dreams about Bill Clinton. I wonder if you are part of a similar happening. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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05-28-2008, 03:49 PM	#10
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Okay, this is just getting sad. Was she dodging sniper fire while collecting that poll data? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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